vg|BBO5-2nd Mind Sports Games,O-RR15,I,1,16,SPAIN,0,NETHERLANDS,0| rs|4SN-1,4SN-1,1SSx-1,3NW+1,3NE-3,3NE-2,3NS-1,3NS-1,5HE=,5HE-1,4HE+1,5DSx-4,4SN=,4SN=,3CW=,1NE-2,3NW+2,3NW+2,4HS=,4HS=,5HW+1,6HW=,4SW-1,4SW=,4SS+1,4SS+1,1NS+2,1NN+2,3HE=,4HE-1,3NW=,3NW=| pn|WASIK,VERHEES JR,KNAP,PROOIJEN,BRINK,LANTARON,DRIJVER,GODED|pg|| qx|c1|st||md|3ST743HAJ432DAJCQ8,S8H987DT9865CKT54,SQJ952HKQD432CA93,SAK6HT65DKQ7CJ762|sv|o|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dQ|nt|uni_dennis: hi everyone|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: this is the final match of the round robin stage|pg|| pc|dA|pc|dT|pc|d4|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s8|nt|uni_dennis: numbers 1 to 4 of each group will qualify|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sK|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dJ|pc|d5|pc|d3|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: and those 2 teams really fight for qualification here|pg|| nt|phil: East needs to find a club shift now|pg|| nt|phil: (hi everyone)|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|cA|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: standings in this group: 3. Denmark 254 VP, 4. Netherlands 249, 5/6. Spain and Belgium 241|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h5|pc|h2|pc|h7|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h6|pc|h3|nt|uni_dennis: and Denmark is playing Belgium|pg|| pc|h8|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d7|pc|sT|pc|d6|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h9|nt|uni_dennis: so Germany (276) and India (2nd with 257) will qualify|pg|| pc|c9|pc|hT|pg|| nt|phil: Spain started today in pretty good shape, but had a soft match against Korea and got hammered by Belgium|pg|| pc|h4|pc|c4|pc|c3|pc|s6|pg|| pc|sA|nt|uni_dennis: 2@c was GF relay here and 2@d a minimum|pg|| mc|9|nt|phil: http://www.worldbridge.org/tourn/Lille.12/microSite/Results.htm|pg|| pg|| qx|c2|st||md|4SAJ754HAQ8D94CT95,SQ9632HT3DAQ6CQ84,SK8HJ6542DJ8CJ762,STHK97DKT7532CAK3|sv|n|nt|phil: this match is part of Group A|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: no defensive errors, so -1|pg|| nt|phil: yes|pg|| mb|1D|mb|1S|nt|uni_dennis: http://www.worldbridge.org/tourn/Lille.12/microSite/RunningScores/ASP/RoundTeamsConditStatClassicMod.asp?qtournid=949&qshowflag=1|pg|| mb|1N|nt|uni_dennis: running scores for this group that is|pg|| mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|3D|nt|phil: a club could have been fatal if partner didn't have the T, and declarer had longer diamonds|pg|| mb|p|nt|uni_dennis: needs good defense to beat 3NT here|pg|| mb|3N|nt|phil: really good|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|uni_dennis: other room 1@sX by S|pg|| nt|phil: wait, I dont think you can beat it|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: they can't actually pick up more than 4 tricks|pg|| nt|phil: give South the @h9 and you can|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: even on a @h lead|pg|| pc|sK|nt|uni_dennis: @h10 lead in OR against 1@sX. that won't help the defense there|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s7|pc|s2|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: NS play low-high = encouraging|pg|| nt|vugraphzbh: he thinks...|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: surely thinking about which @h to switch|pg|| nt|phil: Dennis, is the @s7 suit preference here, or just negative attitude in spades?|pg|| pc|c6|nt|uni_dennis: i think @s7 just discourages @s|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c5|pc|c4|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d4|pc|dA|pc|d8|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dJ|pc|d3|pc|d9|pg|| pc|d6|pc|h6|pc|dK|pc|s4|pg|| pc|dT|pc|s5|nt|phil: so a likely 400 here - 1@s looks like 500 in the other room, but there's more room for error by the defense|pg|| pc|s3|pc|h2|pg|| pc|d7|nt|uni_dennis: no, only 200 in OR|pg|| nt|phil: a ha|pg|| nt|phil: so 5 to Spain|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: @sA will usually make :)|pg|| pc|h8|pc|s6|pc|h5|pg|| pc|d5|pc|sJ|pc|h3|nt|uni_dennis: declarer can make +1 here by exiting in @s after the @cs|pg|| pc|h4|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: then will score @hK, for an extra imp|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c9|nt|phil: yep, 6 instead of 5|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c2|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cT|pc|cQ|pc|c7|pg|| mc|9|nt|phil: or not...|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: it looks like rooms are not connected|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: for the scores|pg|| pg|| qx|c3|st||md|1SAK6HAJTD964CJ542,SQJ3H95432DAJT83C,ST542HQ76DK72C976,S987HK8DQ5CAKQT83|sv|e|nt|uni_dennis: so probably one or both will be restarted at some pioint|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: *point|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|3N|nt|vugraphzbh: sorry|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|s7|pg|| pc|sK|pc|sJ|pc|s5|pc|s8|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sQ|nt|uni_dennis: drijver not interested in a switch|pg|| nt|phil: well this looks doomed|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s9|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: so he encouraged @ss|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h7|pc|hK|pc|hA|pg|| nt|phil: switch the NS hands and this would make however|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: -3 in OR|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: looks like the same will happen here|pg|| nt|phil: maybe -4|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: 3NT -3 that was in OR|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h3|pc|h6|pc|h8|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h4|pc|hQ|nt|phil: ok -3|pg|| pc|c3|pg|| pc|sT|pc|c8|nt|uni_dennis: -2 it looks like now|pg|| pc|c5|nt|uni_dennis: can't get @dK anymore|pg|| pc|d3|pg|| nt|phil: I cannot count today|pg|| nt|phil: Dennis was 1 a push? |pg|| mc|7|nt|uni_dennis: but i'm interested in the bidding, as NS play a mini-NT in this Vul|pg|| nt|phil: so the unofficial score is Spain 8, Netherlands 0|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: 1 was push, 2 5 or 6imps to spain|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: 3 3 imps to Spain|pg|| nt|fluffy: 8-0 for spain|pg|| nt|phil: hey Gonzo!|pg|| nt|fluffy: but board 4 might be 12 for dutch|pg|| pg|| qx|o4|st||md|2SAT8H64DKQ542CQ96,SQJ7532HK87D7CA53,S94HAQT32DAJ96CKT,SK6HJ95DT83CJ8742|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pg|| qx|c4|st||md|2SAT8H64DKQ542CQ96,SQJ7532HK87D7CA53,S94HAQT32DAJ96CKT,SK6HJ95DT83CJ8742|sv|b|mb|1S|nt|uni_dennis: board 2 6 imps says the official scoring site|pg|| mb|2H|mb|p|nt|fluffy: forgot overtick, right, so 9-0|pg|| mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|phil: claim was 400 - he might have tried a heart up at T10|pg|| nt|fluffy: 3NT is the only non making game as the cards lie, but needs a spade lead|pg|| pc|s5|nt|uni_dennis: only 8 tricks|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: 5@d 1@s and 2@h|pg|| nt|phil: discarding should not be a problem - W should know declarer doesn't have more than two hearts on the auction|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: and no real problems for discards on the @ds it looks like|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sK|nt|uni_dennis: could the defense go wrong if he takes the 1st trick|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: could be the right play even, if E has KJ bare|pg|| pc|s8|pg|| nt|phil: and if declarer has @hJx, there's no defense anyway|pg|| nt|phil: East will need to save a heart but that shouldn't be difficult|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sT|pc|sQ|pc|s9|pg|| pc|s2|pc|h2|pc|c7|pc|sA|pg|| nt|phil: looks like he is playing for the @cA in East but that doesnt leave much room for a vulnerable overcall|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: opening even|pg|| nt|phil: oh, right|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h7|pc|hQ|pc|h5|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|d7|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d8|pc|d4|mc|8|nt|uni_dennis: so 9-0 for Spain after 4 boards|pg|| pg|| qx|o5|st||md|3SJT942HD8642C8752,SK65HJ8542DKQJ7CT,S7HAQ63DT953CA964,SAQ83HKT97DACKQJ3|sv|n|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1S|nt|ahollan1: and unfortunately Sebastien will need to manually enter the scores from boards 1-4|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1@c = 16+ unbal or 18+ bal|pg|| mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|4C|mb|p|mb|4D|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|5C|mb|p|mb|5H|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 3@S shows exactly 3541 with 8-11 or 15+ hcp|pg|| mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 4@C sets @H|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 4@D says good hand for @H|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 4@S RKC with 1430 responses|pg|| mb|p|pc|sJ|nt|ahollan1: Goded also getting too high|pg|| nt|ahollan1: hard to imagine anyone stopping in 4@H|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s7|pc|s3|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h3|pc|h9|pc|sT|pg|| nt|ahollan1: East in other room is Federico father of Gonzalo who is sitting out this match|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c2|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d7|pg|| nt|ahollan1: must ruff winning @C to pickup trump suit|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c8|pc|h2|pc|c4|pg|| pc|h8|pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|d4|pg|| pc|d3|pc|s8|pc|d8|pc|dJ|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c5|st||md|3SJT942HD8642C8752,SK65HJ8542DKQJ7CT,S7HAQ63DT953CA964,SAQ83HKT97DACKQJ3|sv|n|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|nt|uni_dennis: running scores: |pg|| mb|3C|mb|p|nt|uni_dennis: http://www.worldbridge.org/tourn/Lille.12/microSite/RunningScores/ASP/RoundTeamsConditStatClassicMod.asp?qtournid=949&qshowflag=1|pg|| mb|4D|mb|p|nt|phil: the India / Germany match could be a factor as well|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: 1@d = 4+@h|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: Germany is safe, india is 16 VP clear of 5th place|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|4N|mb|p|nt|uni_dennis: 5@h in CR|pg|| mb|5D|mb|p|mb|5H|nt|henryb: Snd because 4th is playing 5th, I think India is safe|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|phil: Right now the top 6 are Germany 292, Denmark 269 India 268 Netherlands 262 Spain 258 and Belgium 256|pg|| nt|henryb: Maybe not if Germany wins a super-blitz|pg|| nt|thorvald: India needs 4 VP to be safe|pg|| nt|thorvald: Denmark needs 7 VP|pg|| nt|phil: what I was thinking, and Germany is off to a strong start (even though thats factored in now)|pg|| nt|phil: precarious level|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cT|pc|cA|pc|c3|pg|| nt|phil: curiously the top 6 are all playing each other so this becomes the group to watch |pg|| nt|uni_dennis: needs to make good use of the entries to W hand|pg|| nt|phil: he can ruff the good clubs if necessary|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s8|nt|phil: and its good form to release the @dA early so not to get trapped in hand|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sK|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h3|pc|h7|pc|s2|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hA|pc|h9|pc|c7|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cQ|pc|c2|nt|phil: I think he needs to risk 6-2 clubs here|pg|| nt|phil: although I do not know NS's spot leads|pg|| nt|thorvald: It seems 264 is the score to ensure being among the top 4, but lower scores might be ok depending on other matches|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: in the knock-out Ro16 teams from group A will meet teams from Group B|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: and C meets D|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: so USA, France, Poland and Ireland the probable teams to play against|pg|| nt|phil: do the top seeds get their pick from the groups? |pg|| pc|h4|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h6|pc|hT|nt|uni_dennis: number 1 can pick from 2, 3 and 4|pg|| pc|c5|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d7|pc|d3|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|s5|nt|phil: ugh|pg|| pc|hQ|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: in a way Netherlands will probably still end up playing B4 as no one will pick them|pg|| nt|henryb: From there he had to guess North's shape|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: if they get through|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o6|st||md|4SKHQ65DKQ8653CA65,SQ9742H83DA9CJT98,SJ853H72DJT74C742,SAT6HAKJT94D2CKQ3|sv|e|nt|ahollan1: we're seeing scores from other room now thanks Sebastien|pg|| mb|1C|mb|1D|nt|ahollan1: another strong/forcing 1@C|pg|| mb|d|nt|ahollan1: DBL = 5-7 HCP|pg|| mb|3D|nt|ahollan1: 4@H now?|pg|| mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d4|pc|d2|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h2|pc|h4|pc|hQ|pg|| nt|ahollan1: both pairs using upside-down count & attitude|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d9|pc|d7|pc|h9|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h5|pc|h3|pc|h7|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h6|pc|s2|pc|s3|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c5|pc|c8|pc|c2|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c6|pc|c9|pc|c4|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Goded down in 5@H sorry, didn't watch the play|pg|| pc|sA|pc|sK|pc|s4|pc|s5|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cA|pc|cT|pc|c7|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c6|st||md|4SKHQ65DKQ8653CA65,SQ9742H83DA9CJT98,SJ853H72DJT74C742,SAT6HAKJT94D2CKQ3|sv|e|nt|uni_dennis: he had no chance to play @dA earlier, so needed to guess, true|pg|| mb|1H|mb|2D|nt|phil: he could have unblocked the @dA in hand, ruffed a club and just played diamonds through North couldnt he? |pg|| mb|d|nt|uni_dennis: yes he could|pg|| nt|henryb: No. He would have had to ruff the fourth club|pg|| mb|4D|mb|4H|nt|thorvald: 3rd club|pg|| mb|5D|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|uni_dennis: this could go -800|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: 2@h 1@s 2@c and a @D|pg|| nt|fluffy: play the clubs soon to get 800|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|h5|pg|| nt|laukik: 6 tricks to oppo|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c8|nt|uni_dennis: 4@d quite a bid, but Drijver might have thought that EW were in the slam zone, if S had good @d only|pg|| pc|c2|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d9|pc|dJ|pc|d2|pg|| nt|henryb: you really don't need to shift to clubs. Not going anyshere|pg|| nt|fluffy: lantaron should play @cJ not sure what happened there|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: and making it much harder for EW to find out the best game|pg|| nt|phil: so on the last - was there really anything to it other than guessing between 6-2 clubs and 5-1 spades? |pg|| pc|h7|pc|hA|pc|h6|pc|h3|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c5|pc|c9|pc|c4|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c6|pc|cT|pc|c7|pg|| nt|henryb: Nope|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d4|pc|hJ|pc|d5|pg|| mc|7|nt|uni_dennis: i'm getting corrected about the procedure for round of 16|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: number 1 can choose|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: then the remaining 4 teams will be matched automatically|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: so big chance that France will get to play Netherlands then|pg|| pg|| qx|o7|st||md|1S6HAJ63DJ543CQ853,S87H98754DQ7CA976,SAKT9542HQDK6CKT4,SQJ3HKT2DAT982CJ2|sv|b|nt|ahollan1: ahh tried to cash 2nd @S after @C to Ace, @S return|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: then Drijver flew @HA on 2nd round of the suit|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: i don't know the style of NS, so difficult to assess 4@S vs 1@S|pg|| pc|h2|nt|ahollan1: i.e. how good can south be as Passed Hand|pg|| nt|ahollan1: seems can't really benefit by flying @HA|pg|| pc|h3|nt|ahollan1: if @HA probably then @D toward King|pg|| pc|h9|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|sA|nt|ahollan1: but in control this way|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s6|pc|s7|pg|| pc|sK|pc|sJ|pc|d3|pc|s8|pg|| nt|ahollan1: on 6 [4@HE+1] spain sacrifice of 5@DX was too costly -800 and 4 imps to Netherlands|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c2|pc|cQ|nt|ahollan1: Rodwell did fly @HA and play @D to king|pg|| pc|cA|pg|| pc|c6|nt|ahollan1: sorry i reversed result on 6 Spain GAIN 4 when Netherlands sacrifice in 5@DX|pg|| nt|ahollan1: thanks to all for catching my error|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Drijver also opened 4@S|pg|| nt|ahollan1: http://www.worldbridge.org/tourn/Lille.12/microSite/RunningScores/ASP/RoundTeamsConditStatClassicMod.asp?qtournid=949&qshowflag=1|pg|| nt|ahollan1: gives running scores for our Group A match|pg|| nt|ahollan1: this is final match of the round robin -- top 4 advance to KO|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cJ|pc|c3|pg|| pc|cT|pc|d2|pc|c5|pc|c7|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sQ|mc|11|pg|| qx|c7|st||md|1S6HAJ63DJ543CQ853,S87H98754DQ7CA976,SAKT9542HQDK6CKT4,SQJ3HKT2DAT982CJ2|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d7|pc|d6|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: this lead might help|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hA|pc|h9|pc|hQ|pg|| nt|henryb: In the Ladies Israel needs a big last round win to catch Australia for the final position|pg|| pc|c3|nt|uni_dennis: they need 21 VP if i'm correct|pg|| pc|cA|nt|uni_dennis: to become best number 6|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c2|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dK|pc|d2|pc|d4|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s6|nt|phil: 12 away|pg|| pc|s7|pg|| pc|sT|nt|laukik: =|pg|| pc|sQ|mc|10|nt|henryb: I think they need 22, because surely the bye does not count towards the VP average. Although I suppose it might|pg|| pg|| qx|o8|st||md|2SJT865HQ64DT2CAT2,SAQHA983DQ985CJ43,SK94HKT72DJ643CKQ,S732HJ5DAK7C98765|sv|o|mb|1D|mb|d|mb|1S|mb|2S|nt|ahollan1: on 7 Goded led @DA then shifted to @H10 +620 for a push|pg|| mb|3C|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s9|nt|ahollan1: sorry started to doze off 1@S=@C|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s8|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pc|c5|pc|c2|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c6|pc|cA|pc|c3|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c4|nt|ahollan1: Goded in 1N Drijver didn't bid over the natural 1@D opener|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Verhees 1@D could be 0+@D|pg|| pc|d3|pc|c7|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|sA|pc|sK|pc|s3|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d4|pc|dA|pc|d2|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dT|pc|d8|pc|d6|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c8|st||md|2SJT865HQ64DT2CAT2,SAQHA983DQ985CJ43,SK94HKT72DJ643CKQ,S732HJ5DAK7C98765|sv|o|nt|phil: ah it did make in the other room....|pg|| mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|s3|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s7|pc|s6|pc|sA|pg|| nt|laukik: -2 perhaps|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cQ|pc|c5|pc|cT|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s2|pc|sT|pc|h3|pg|| pc|s8|pc|c4|pc|h2|pc|c6|pg|| pc|s5|pc|cJ|pc|h7|pc|c7|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hA|pc|hT|pc|h5|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d3|pc|dA|pc|d2|pg|| mc|5|pg|| qx|o9|st||md|3SQJT74HT5DQ86C743,SAK92HJ9DAJ74CQJ2,S86HA643D952CA985,S53HKQ872DKT3CKT6|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3D|nt|ahollan1: 3rd seat favorable [not-vul vs vul aka green] almost anything goes|pg|| mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s6|nt|ahollan1: 8 1N-2 5 imps to netherlands for another change in leader|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sT|pc|sK|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h3|pc|h2|pc|h5|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h4|pc|hK|pc|hT|pg|| pc|hQ|nt|ahollan1: Brink opened 1@S on this hand Lantaron also in 3N west|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c2|pc|hA|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s5|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cA|pc|c6|pc|c3|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cK|pc|c4|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|cT|pc|s7|pc|s2|mc|11|pg|| qx|c9|st||md|3SQJT74HT5DQ86C743,SAK92HJ9DAJ74CQJ2,S86HA643D952CA985,S53HKQ872DKT3CKT6|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1S!|mb|1N|mb|p|nt|uni_dennis: 1@s could be (very) light in 3rd seat|pg|| mb|2S|nt|uni_dennis: and also 4+@s|pg|| mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|phil: looks normal, although declarer will be surprised when North has as much|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s3|pc|sJ|pc|sA|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h3|pc|h2|pc|h5|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: 2@s was stayman here, according to CC|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h4|pc|hK|pc|hT|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: running scores: http://www.worldbridge.org/tourn/Lille.12/microSite/RunningScores/ASP/RoundTeamsConditStatClassicMod.asp?qtournid=949&qshowflag=1|pg|| nt|laukik: sigh|pg|| pc|hQ|nt|henryb: Belgium-Denmark is stuck on board 6|pg|| pc|c7|nt|phil: assuming he guesses this, he will knock out the minor suit aces and South will be in a show up for 11|pg|| pc|s2|pc|hA|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s5|pc|sT|pc|sK|pg|| nt|phil: a spade pitch could be deadly there if South had the @cA and he misguessed diamonds|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c5|pc|cK|pc|c3|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c4|pc|cJ|pc|cA|pg|| pc|d9|mc|11|pg|| qx|o10|st||md|4SAQ53HK752DK5CK87,ST9762HDQJ962CA94,SKHQJT8643DT3CQT2,SJ84HA9DA874CJ653|sv|b|nt|ahollan1: you can also spy on other rooms without login via http://bridgebase.com/client/vugraph.php [bookmark that url!]|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: both pairs 1N=15-17 |pg|| mb|4D|mb|p|mb|4H|nt|ahollan1: Texas transfer|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dQ|pc|d3|pc|dA|pc|d5|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c8|pc|cA|pc|c2|pg|| nt|ahollan1: can Knap avoid losing to trump Ace?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: sorry Wasik it was bad joke anyway|pg|| pc|c4|mc|10|pg|| qx|c10|st||md|4SAQ53HK752DK5CK87,ST9762HDQJ962CA94,SKHQJT8643DT3CQT2,SJ84HA9DA874CJ653|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|4C|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|phil: right now India and Netherlands are tied for 3/4 with 265, Beligium and Spain are 9 and 10 behind respectively|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: 4@c a transfer to 4@h|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d3|pc|dA|pc|d5|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: nothing to make of this one, just losing 3 aces|pg|| nt|phil: theres nothing here interesting|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o11|st||md|1S972HQDJ752CT8642,S53HAKT753DTCAQJ7,SAKQT864H92D8CK93,SJHJ864DAKQ9643C5|sv|o|mb|p|mb|2H|nt|ahollan1: thru our matches board 8 netherlands tied 4th on 265 spain 6th on 255|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 2@H = 10-15 hcp 5+@H 4+@C|pg|| mb|4S|mb|5H|nt|ahollan1: the EW system is called Ultimate Canape [different from Ultimate Club]|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sA|pc|sJ|pc|s2|nt|ahollan1: even after 1@H opener 4@S bid is going to make it tough for EW to get to slam|pg|| pc|s3|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|dT|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hQ|pc|hA|mc|12|nt|ahollan1: maybe some will bid 4N on east hand IF that is RKC|pg|| pg|| qx|c11|st||md|1S972HQDJ752CT8642,S53HAKT753DTCAQJ7,SAKQT864H92D8CK93,SJHJ864DAKQ9643C5|sv|o|nt|uni_dennis: this board more exciting|pg|| mb|p|mb|1H|mb|4S|mb|4N|nt|uni_dennis: 4NT should be discussed|pg|| nt|phil: Spain has an opportunity here|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: is it RKC or some sort of take-out?|pg|| mb|5S|mb|6C|nt|phil: looks like West is interpreting it as TO|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: how about 6@s?|pg|| mb|p|mb|6H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|uni_dennis: that will not be off that many|pg|| nt|fluffy: 800 on best defence|pg|| nt|phil: that saves 180 I think|pg|| pc|sK|pc|sJ|nt|laukik: 6s =800 can collect|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s3|pg|| pc|sA|pc|h4|pc|s2|pc|s5|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hQ|nt|laukik: its not 11 imp =980|pg|| pc|hA|nt|laukik: now|pg|| pc|h2|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|o12|st||md|2SQHAJDQ952CJ96532,SKJHQ542DAKJ63CT8,ST973HK863DT84CKQ,SA86542HT97D7CA74|sv|n|nt|ahollan1: i believe that would be the default interpretation after a 1@H opener but not after minor suit opener|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|mb|4D|nt|ahollan1: 1N = good 14-17|pg|| mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cK|nt|ahollan1: 4@D = South African Texas showing @S [no slam or taking charge]|pg|| nt|fluffy: heart lead insta beats, but impossible, now @cK will make it interesting|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 11 Goded DOES bid 4N after 1@H-4@S|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Brink bids 5@S and Spain gets to slam|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|c8|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d2|pc|dJ|pc|d4|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d8|pc|h7|pc|d5|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dT|pc|h9|pc|d9|pg|| pc|d3|pc|h3|pc|hT|pc|dQ|pg|| nt|ahollan1: slam swing for Spain i wonder if they get there without Brink's 5@S bid|pg|| nt|ahollan1: the key issue does opener show @HQ holding 6th trump when 4N bidder's @H length unknown|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cT|pc|cQ|pc|c4|pg|| pc|h6|pc|s2|pc|hJ|pc|h2|pg|| pc|sA|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|s3|pg|| pc|s4|pc|c3|pc|sJ|pc|s7|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c12|st||md|2SQHAJDQ952CJ96532,SKJHQ542DAKJ63CT8,ST973HK863DT84CKQ,SA86542HT97D7CA74|sv|n|nt|uni_dennis: Spain needs to win this match by 19-11 or more|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|nt|uni_dennis: that is 16+ imps|pg|| mb|2H!|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|uni_dennis: running scores: http://www.worldbridge.org/tourn/Lille.12/microSite/RunningScores/ASP/RoundTeamsConditStatClassicMod.asp?qtournid=949&qshowflag=1|pg|| nt|phil: he has his work cut out for him here|pg|| pc|d4|nt|phil: this helps|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dQ|nt|phil: on a club lead it seems he has to take an early diamond hook |pg|| nt|laukik: ya club king lead if take diamond finess some hope then|pg|| pc|dA|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d8|pc|c4|pc|d2|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dT|pc|c7|pc|d5|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pc|c2|pg|| nt|phil: sort of like this|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sQ|nt|uni_dennis: first tie-break rule is IMP quotient of the RR matches|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s3|pg|| nt|phil: I thought he might discard hearts, and lose the last heart on the 5th diamond|pg|| pc|d3|pc|s9|pc|sA|pc|d9|pg|| pc|s4|mc|10|nt|phil: very nice|pg|| nt|fluffy: Spain in right now|pg|| nt|fluffy: 4 boards to go, a possible slam on a guess next|pg|| pg|| qx|o13|st||md|3SKJ8632HAK8DT4CA5,S7HT754DA9865C742,SAQ5H32DKJ32CKT93,ST94HQJ96DQ7CQJ86|sv|b|mb|1C|mb|p|nt|fluffy: did verhees really go down?|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|nt|fluffy: diamond lead at the other table wich helps a lot, might be all the IMPs span needs|pg|| mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h5|nt|ahollan1: thru 11 Netherlands 4th with 262 Spain 5th with 258|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hJ|pc|hK|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s7|pc|sA|pc|s4|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s9|pc|sJ|nt|ahollan1: India holding onto 3rd with 265|pg|| pc|h4|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|h3|pc|h9|pg|| pc|h8|pc|hT|pc|sQ|pc|h6|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c6|pc|cA|pc|c7|pg|| pc|sK|pc|d5|pc|d2|pc|sT|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d6|pc|d3|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d4|pc|dA|pc|dJ|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c13|st||md|3SKJ8632HAK8DT4CA5,S7HT754DA9865C742,SAQ5H32DKJ32CKT93,ST94HQJ96DQ7CQJ86|sv|b|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1S|nt|uni_dennis: looks like in case of a tie (that is Spain wins by 16-19 imps, for 19-11VP) Netherlands will finish 4th|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N|nt|phil: if you review the movie, you can see how Louk went down|pg|| mb|p|nt|uni_dennis: 1st tie-break rule is IMP-quotient of all RR matches|pg|| mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|3S|nt|phil: translated = "how you did against the teams you played"?|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: I think this sequence by Brink shows 6@s but an option for 3NT|pg|| mb|p|mb|4C|mb|p|nt|uni_dennis: or strong with bad suit that is|pg|| mb|4H|mb|p|mb|4S|nt|fluffy: lantaron will lead a diamond now|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: 4@h is last train|pg|| nt|fluffy: hopefully low|pg|| nt|phil: this is a sequence that Ive never seen defined - strong slam interest and a poor suit makes a lot of sense|pg|| nt|fluffy: ahh last train|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|uni_dennis: but 4@h generally denies a @d cue|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d2|pc|dQ|pc|d4|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dT|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: i hear Germany went down in 6 on this one, good news for India|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o14|st||md|4SJ52HJTDKQ964CQ92,SA98H7643DA53CJ86,SKQ43HQ952DT8CAKT,ST76HAK8DJ72C7543|sv|o|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h6|nt|ahollan1: 2nd from 4 worthless|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h8|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s8|pc|sK|pc|s7|pg|| nt|ahollan1: just heard that there might be 1 table left open to hear the Captain's pick of R16 opponent|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dJ|pc|dK|pc|d5|pg|| nt|ahollan1: after board 12 netherlands-spain tied for 4th|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d3|pc|d8|pc|d2|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s6|pc|sJ|pc|sA|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c2|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hK|pc|hT|pc|h3|pg|| nt|ahollan1: Lantaron made 4@S on 12 to extend Spain's lead|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c9|pc|cJ|pc|cK|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hA|pc|d4|pc|h4|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d9|pc|dA|pc|s4|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c14|st||md|4SJ52HJTDKQ964CQ92,SA98H7643DA53CJ86,SKQ43HQ952DT8CAKT,ST76HAK8DJ72C7543|sv|o|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|nt|uni_dennis: 1@c 2+ and F1R|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|nt|uni_dennis: 1@d any 0-6 or 4-4Ms|pg|| mb|1H|nt|uni_dennis: or no M|pg|| mb|p|mb|1S|nt|uni_dennis: 1@h 12-14 BAL or nat|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|nt|uni_dennis: 1@s asking, 1NT 12-14 BAL|pg|| mb|p|nt|phil: kindly provided to me: http://www.elsid.co.za/bridge/templates/vpscale.html|pg|| pc|c5|nt|phil: Section 9 discusses tie breaking procedure: http://www.worldbridge.org/tourn/Lille.12/microSite/SupplementalConditions2012.pdf|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c8|pc|cT|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|hT|pc|h3|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: imp quotient first, then the result of this match|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: but hard to get the same imp-quoutient|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c9|pc|cJ|pc|cA|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: and the Dutch have a better IMP quotient if my maths are correct|pg|| nt|dbrenner: don't think it will remain like that|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: bd 16 will decide it probably|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: but the dutch will score a good result there|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: in OR|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o15|st||md|1SQ98HJ4DK43C96432,SKJ642HKT86D75C75,ST753HQ7DAQT6CAKJ,SAHA9532DJ982CQT8|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|2H|an|5!h/4m|nt|ahollan1: 2@H = 5+@H 4+@C/@D|pg|| mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c3|pc|c5|pc|cA|pc|c8|pg|| nt|ahollan1: lucky 22 trump break so 3@H survives|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cT|pc|c2|pc|c7|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d3|pc|d5|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d8|pc|dK|pc|d7|pg|| pc|c6|pc|s2|pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s8|pc|s4|pc|s3|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h4|pc|hK|pc|h7|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hQ|pc|hA|pc|hJ|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c15|st||md|1SQ98HJ4DK43C96432,SKJ642HKT86D75C75,ST753HQ7DAQT6CAKJ,SAHA9532DJ982CQT8|sv|n|nt|thorvald: India looks safe now with only 2 boards left in their match vs germany|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|2C!|nt|uni_dennis: this looks like a fine result for the dutch|pg|| mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d3|nt|uni_dennis: now just need to cash their tricks|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dA|pc|d2|pg|| pc|cK|nt|thorvald: Very agressive bidding vs a passed partner|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c2|pc|c5|pg|| pc|cA|pc|cT|pc|c3|pc|c7|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o16|st||md|2SAQ75HQT982D7C762,S982HK76DKQ84CAK9,SJ6HAJ53DJ965C843,SKT43H4DAT32CQJT5|sv|e|nt|ahollan1: now final board of the match very well played by Spain|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2D|nt|ahollan1: many rooms still in play qualifiers still uncertain|pg|| mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|nt|fluffy: now no game should make, but who knows|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 3@C = 41 in majors|pg|| nt|ahollan1: 3@H = 4144|pg|| mb|3S|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: currently Germany 296 Denmark 272 India 267 Netherlands/Spain 260|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|h3|nt|fluffy: spade please spade|pg|| nt|fluffy: noooooooo|pg|| nt|fluffy: now only @d9 can save us, but I doub it|pg|| nt|ahollan1: if you didn't know fluffy is a member of Team Spain|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pg|| nt|ahollan1: so his bias is acceptable :)|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c8|pc|c5|pc|c7|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c3|pc|cT|pc|c6|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d7|pc|dK|pc|d5|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c4|pc|cQ|pc|c2|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d6|pc|d3|pc|s5|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d9|nt|ahollan1: what a weird back & forth line of play|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i guess trying to get NS to give honest count in @C|pg|| pc|dT|pc|h2|pg|| pc|dA|pc|h8|pc|d4|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|h9|pc|h6|pc|h5|pg|| mc|13|nt|ahollan1: very nice match thanks Sebastien|pg|| nt|ahollan1: there will be a vugraph table available to hear the Captain's picks for R16|pg|| nt|ahollan1: closed room now on final board|pg|| pg|| qx|c16|st||md|2SAQ75HQT982D7C762,S982HK76DKQ84CAK9,SJ6HAJ53DJ965C843,SKT43H4DAT32CQJT5|sv|e|mb|1N|nt|phil: I have Spain at a quotient of 1.3333 - adding up Netherlands now|pg|| mb|p|nt|thorvald: Still Board 5 looks like the board that could have let Spain thru to the last 16|pg|| mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2H!|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: thru 14 our teams tied for 4th/5th but that doesn't include the Dutch pickup on 15|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: there will be a vugraph table open to hear the Captain's picks for R16|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h4|pc|hT|nt|ahollan1: same @H lead in the other room|pg|| pc|hK|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c3|pc|c5|pc|c2|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c4|nt|thorvald: Drijver need to drop @D 9|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c6|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c8|nt|ahollan1: not sure how long we wait to hear the picks|pg|| nt|phil: should be automatic|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c7|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: there was a chance in OR as East showed his 4144 before W bid 3NT|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|uni_dennis: maybe N could figure out that he shouldn't lead @hs|pg|| nt|phil: but if North is short in diamonds, he's longer in spades and might have taken a call over 1N|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s2|pc|s6|pg|| nt|dbrenner: it's showing not a tie anymore|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: so Netherlands finish 4th in this group then|pg|| nt|bobholl: K@D with 9 in N?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: i believe not only will captain's pick their R16 opponent, but will also choose which sessions they have seating rights|pg|| nt|phil: Drijver drops the 9 but West still gets it right|pg|| nt|ahollan1: R16 is 6 sets of 16 boards over 2 days|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: so Germany can pick from France, Poland and Ireland|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: and USA gets a pick from Denmark, India and the Netherlands|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: the remaining teams will be matched automatically|pg|| mc|9|nt|ahollan1: not really next highest remaining team chooses its opponent from remaining teams in other group|pg|| nt|uni_dennis: no number 2 automatically matched to worst team from other group|pg|| nt|ahollan1: rules of selection are described in the Supplemental Conditions of Contest|pg|| nt|ahollan1: anyone want to guess which opponents are picked by Germany and USA?|pg|| nt|ahollan1: majority guesses USA v India Germany v Ireland|pg|| pg||