vg|B EC 2011 Open Teams Swiss _,5_7,I,21,30,Netherlands White,0,Krajewski Lowicz,0| rs|5DEx=,5DW=,4SS-1,3SS=,1NS-1,1NN=,3NE=,3SNx-2,3DS=,3DS=,4HE-2,4HE=,3NN+1,4SN=,3NN-1,1SW+3,4DE-1,4HN-2,4SS=,4SN=| pn|Jansma,Miechowicz,Paulissen,Kotorowicz,Sobolewska,Verhees,Szymanowsk,Prooijen|pg|| qx|o21|st||md|3SJ63HJ543DT9CA873,S82HKDAJ8543CJ954,SQT975HAQ9762DCT6,SAK4HT8DKQ762CKQ2|sv|n|mb|1H|mb|d|mb|3H!|nt|jfaria: agressive opening by Paulissen|pg|| mb|p|mb|4H|nt|jfaria: in closed 2@d showing MM|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|jcwla: Off we go, N electing not to pass and show the hand type later. And N/S have done their best to steal this from EW who are making 5@D.|pg|| nt|jfaria: 5@d for Netherlands in closed|pg|| nt|jcwla: Seemingly easier for W to have bid an under-pressure 4@D earlier.|pg|| mb|4N|mb|d!|mb|5D|mb|d|nt|jfaria: same here I guess|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hJ|nt|jfaria: but with light opening from N Jansma feels oblidged to x|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h8|pg|| nt|jcwla: S has a maximum 3@H with a minor trick so a double understandable here, I have no idea what the double of 4NT is but it feels as though N has shown a more convertible-values hand ...|pg|| nt|jcwla: and this has timed out perfectly for Krajewski Lowicz.|pg|| nt|jfaria: dont think N must open in first at 1 level, with bot majors he can tell his story any time|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pc|c4|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s2|nt|jfaria: I also wonder what x of 4nt means Jordan ?|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c21|st||md|3SJ63HJ543DT9CA873,S82HKDAJ8543CJ954,SQT975HAQ9762DCT6,SAK4HT8DKQ762CKQ2|sv|n|nt|peachy: team names are not right, but I guess we'll get there|pg|| nt|ntmon: welcome to Euro 2011 again|pg|| mb|2D|an| |nt|granguru: HI|pg|| mb|d|nt|ntmon: now battle of Polish star and legend players|pg|| nt|ntmon: good afternoon to all|pg|| mb|3H|nt|pelu: hi|pg|| nt|jcomyn: hi all again. Anyone agree with me about Jassem's polish club book - quite brilliant|pg|| mb|4D|mb|4H|mb|5D|nt|jcomyn: morning all|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ntmon: a match between 11th and 12th team from current standings |pg|| pc|hA|pc|h8|nt|paulg: Results for the first match in the round-robin can be seen at http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/orrleaderb.html|pg|| nt|chmitty: Hi all|pg|| nt|peachy: Hi all, welcome back, This is Round 4 in the roundropbins, Open Teams. 15 groups of 8 teams each.|pg|| nt|peachy: 10 boards per match|pg|| nt|jcomyn: this should be fascinating|pg|| pc|h3|nt|psyck: Hello everyone|pg|| pc|hK|pg|| nt|peachy: Current standings in each group after round 3: http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/orrleaderb.html|pg|| nt|chmitty: Zaleski currently leading his group|pg|| nt|peachy: Running scores in Round 4 (this round) http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/orrrunda4.html|pg|| nt|jcomyn: hi Krishna|pg|| pc|h9|nt|bernix: good morning and welcome everybody to round 3 of semifinal A of the European Open|pg|| pc|hT|nt|granguru: finally we got to a std 3NT|pg|| nt|pelu: all card well placed = 12 tricks|pg|| mc|11|nt|ntmon: hi|pg|| pg|| qx|o22|st||md|4SAQJT54HJDQ3CK532,SK2H984DAKJ842C64,S963HAQ73D965CQJ7,S87HKT652DT7CAT98|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|jcwla: Discretion would have been the better part of valor there for N.|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dA|nt|jcwla: W in the CR elected to bid 2@D over 1@S, here W with flat side distribution passed - had S passed 2@S, W always had the option of coming in with 3@D later.|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d7|pc|d3|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d6|pc|dT|pc|dQ|pg|| nt|jfaria: no way to escape 4 loosers|pg|| nt|jcwla: I wonder whether NS were on the same page here? Was 2NT some kind of Kokishesque GT?|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pc|c3|pg|| nt|jcwla: Maybe if N would accept a long try in @C's, might have the magic hand to make.|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c2|pc|c6|nt|jcwla: General GT I'm told...|pg|| pc|cJ|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s7|pc|s4|pc|sK|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d9|pc|s8|pc|sT|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s2|mc|9|nt|jcwla: In any case an early ennead of IMPs for Krajewski.|pg|| pg|| qx|c22|st||md|4SAQJT54HJDQ3CK532,SK2H984DAKJ842C64,S963HAQ73D965CQJ7,S87HKT652DT7CAT98|sv|e|nt|granguru: not a good slam |pg|| nt|granguru: another potential slam here|pg|| nt|granguru: a better one thou|pg|| nt|pelu: only need to play @s-siut with no loser|pg|| nt|granguru: still it needs @s 2-2 or stiff honor in E and a good guess|pg|| nt|granguru: hi all|pg|| mb|p|nt|ntmon: straghtforward game on 21 |pg|| mb|1S|mb|2D|nt|pelu: Hi all - as every time there are problems before the first match - players has to find the right table and so on|pg|| nt|chmitty: 3NT or 5@c both cold here|pg|| nt|chmitty: not an easy bid for North|pg|| nt|chmitty: Can our operator disclose the names of the players sitting EW ??|pg|| nt|chmitty: oh yes :)|pg|| nt|chmitty: ty|pg|| nt|peachy: He might go for the practical 3NT if this were MPs, not so sure IMPs|pg|| nt|jcomyn: 5c for ns if they get there|pg|| mb|2S|nt|pelu: not with odds - but better that a "Roland-slam"|pg|| nt|bernix: part score battle again. can NS buy it in 3@h ?|pg|| nt|danilo1: Hi all, gutten morgen Bernard|pg|| nt|bernix: hi danilo|pg|| mb|d|nt|paulg: Pleased to see that South has a name, but I think I'll stick with 'South'|pg|| nt|granguru: exchange black Q´s and it would have been a rock iron contract|pg|| mb|3S|nt|pelu: we begin with a possible slam|pg|| mb|p|nt|pelu: Rodwell did open the N hand with 1NT???|pg|| nt|chmitty: Difficult for South to imagine he has so many defensive tricks !|pg|| nt|chmitty: Will North x now ?|pg|| nt|chmitty: Hope for him there was not too much of an hesitation behind the screen|pg|| nt|peachy: I think S might have doubled. Vul versus notvul, N had great expectations of making, the colors tell he was not preempting|pg|| nt|chmitty: I agree 100% Raija|pg|| mb|p|nt|peachy: Hi John|pg|| mb|p|nt|granguru: I would have done it if @CK|pg|| nt|paulg: i think many in the field will bid this one|pg|| nt|chmitty: he must protect the score of his pair|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d5|nt|granguru: NICE TO see u again Raija |pg|| nt|granguru: 11 tricks|pg|| nt|peachy: Convention cards are not available so unfprtunately we cannot explain bidding|pg|| nt|granguru: at NT or any Moysean|pg|| nt|chmitty: Next door bidding started 2@s (E) 4@s ... NOrth thinking|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d3|pg|| nt|pelu: and I would open 1@D 100% (=4+@d)|pg|| nt|paulg: North has distribution and they have a lot of controls|pg|| nt|granguru: 4@C cue X @Cs|pg|| nt|granguru: N could have xx to show second round ctrl|pg|| nt|pelu: when N open 1Nt then Meckstroth has no slam ambitions|pg|| nt|pelu: RD = 1. round control|pg|| nt|granguru: but then it is more complicate to show @d ctrls|pg|| nt|granguru: RD is second if 4@C was first|pg|| nt|jcomyn: hmmm and a 6-3 c fit not too imp;ressive|pg|| nt|psyck: 4@c instead of 2nd x would have worked better|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d6|nt|pelu: @H-lead - 2x@s and @C finess|pg|| nt|psyck: same bidding in other room though|pg|| pc|dT|nt|pelu: ok that makes life easyer for dsecl|pg|| nt|jcomyn: although 4-2 foirtunate lie in h|pg|| nt|ntmon: it's standard in Poland overcalls are limited, so strong 1-suited hand should X first|pg|| nt|jcomyn: of course but no 2nd x for me|pg|| nt|ntmon: but after preemptive raise, problems arise|pg|| nt|psyck: if 1345, i'd have Xed 2nd time too, thought 4@c was clearer this hand|pg|| pc|dQ|pg|| nt|granguru: If I would be forced to guess 1@C strong 1@S=4 ctrls 2N nat 19-21 3@D @C ctrl no @D ctrl|pg|| nt|bernix: phantom sac|pg|| pc|c4|nt|ntmon: 4 obvious tricks for defence|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|paulg: It is much easier for us, but can South have less than this to make a slam try with no heart control?|pg|| nt|danilo1: ideal def. is - first @H for A, than @DK and third @D ... guess not easy for Adam now ... since North cann well be single @D |pg|| nt|bernix: but it doesn't matter if he cashes a 2nd @d before switching to hearts|pg|| pc|cA|nt|ntmon: i'm inclined to 4@C too but no strong opinion|pg|| pc|c2|pg|| nt|peachy: lots of work in 6NT, not impossible I think, but rather aggressive|pg|| nt|granguru: a passive lead is a must here|pg|| nt|peachy: I'm thinking E will lead club, that would be my choice|pg|| nt|granguru: it seems 3@d was nat as N went on to 6@d|pg|| nt|peachy: but I am not in Hurd's class of player so we'll see|pg|| nt|granguru: most passive is @D|pg|| nt|granguru: the @D10 is a critical card (not here thou) so W has 4 critical suits|pg|| nt|psyck: sry folks, have to switch to another room, c ya|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c3|nt|ntmon: see u later :)|pg|| nt|jcomyn: slan|pg|| pc|c6|nt|granguru: N S expects that @S dont behave...|pg|| pc|cJ|pg|| nt|pelu: do u know players where cuebid are 1. control - to day 1. or 2.? back in the 50'es in US they only cuebid Aces - and lost to Italy every time :)|pg|| nt|peachy: that would have been my last choice of leads, Jxx nearly never right|pg|| nt|granguru: I am wrong E leads|pg|| pc|s3|nt|granguru: E has a clear @d lead|pg|| nt|chmitty: Versace will not escape 800 |pg|| pc|s7|pc|sT|nt|danilo1: excellent defense ... now even -2 possible |pg|| nt|bernix: caiti must use his only entry to dummy to finesse in @cs rather than @ss|pg|| nt|danilo1: did not matter for -1, I agree Bernard|pg|| nt|Walddk1: Operator, West is Caiti|pg|| pc|sK|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hA|nt|peachy: perhaps there is something in the bidding that we are not privvy to, which induced the spade lead|pg|| nt|peachy: To watch multiple tables, http://www.bridgebase.com/client/vugraph.php. Open a new window for each additional table.|pg|| nt|ntmon: Lev carefully watching spots|pg|| pc|h2|nt|granguru: :) true|pg|| nt|granguru: second choice was @CJ|pg|| nt|granguru: immo|pg|| pc|hJ|pg|| nt|granguru: MADE|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s8|nt|chmitty: 5@c final contract open room|pg|| nt|peachy: or browser screen, whatever you call it :)|pg|| pc|sJ|nt|chmitty: Here it's a "fenêtre" lol|pg|| pc|s2|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o23|st||md|1SK754HA86DA874CQ9,S98632HTDKJ3CK874,SAJHJ732DQT92C532,SQTHKQ954D65CAJT6|sv|b|nt|jfaria: not a bad game in fact|pg|| mb|1C!|mb|p|mb|1H!|mb|p|mb|1N!|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|jcwla: It _happened_ to be on a finesse because N came down with all the @C fillers (and no @C ruff) - but on the auction that was not known so giving credit for that seems overly ...|pg|| nt|jcwla: generous.|pg|| pc|s8|nt|jfaria: with silent opps wonder how Jan will tackle @d..|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d3|pc|dQ|pc|d6|pg|| nt|jfaria: easy, any thoughts of double finesse ended with Q@s from E|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d5|pc|d8|pc|dK|pg|| nt|jcwla: Low @S lead would have been happier for defense as far as that suit goes.|pg|| nt|jcwla: But EW still in potential gain position.|pg|| nt|jfaria: Y, in closed E lead low @h...|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|sT|pc|s4|pg|| nt|jfaria: and S didnt accept the offer for finessing in @h|pg|| pc|dT|pc|h4|pc|dA|pc|dJ|pg|| nt|jfaria: @d I eman|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s9|pc|c2|pc|h5|pg|| pc|s6|pc|c3|pc|c6|pc|s5|pg|| pc|s3|pc|c5|pc|cJ|pc|h6|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h2|pc|h9|pc|hA|pg|| pc|d7|pc|c4|pc|d9|pc|cT|pg|| pc|h3|mc|6|pg|| qx|c23|st||md|1SK754HA86DA874CQ9,S98632HTDKJ3CK874,SAJHJ732DQT92C532,SQTHKQ954D65CAJT6|sv|b|nt|rcerreto: here we are again|pg|| nt|brolucius: Jeffrey Allerton and Frances Hinden (who is playing at the other table) are a couple, and have won the prestigious Gold Cup (Britain's top knock-out) together.|pg|| nt|brolucius: So far as I know, Hinden has never played women's bridge. She is a top executive for an oil company.|pg|| nt|ralfwil: what do we know about their systems?|pg|| nt|brolucius: E/W were playing straightforward stuff against Russia. I assume that the French play the standard French system, near enough. It will be good kibitzing.|pg|| nt|granguru: but it is a good idea that the very first control is A (or KQ)|pg|| nt|pelu: no|pg|| nt|granguru: not vul sorry only 22!|pg|| nt|peachy: aah, by the end of tha match, maybe I learn some French by osmosis :)|pg|| nt|chmitty: and me some English|pg|| nt|jcomyn: and the usual 4-1 break|pg|| mb|1C|nt|chmitty: :)|pg|| nt|jcomyn: at least the sa is right|pg|| mb|p|nt|chmitty: 2@d both majors ?|pg|| nt|ntmon: 4 IMP for Krajewski - 5@D on 1 doubled|pg|| mb|1H|nt|chmitty: seems so|pg|| nt|peachy: Long time ago, we used to call those bids Polish two suiters, nowadays there are several variations and names for them|pg|| nt|peachy: Hungarian kib tells it is 5@h-4@s, or 4414 or 4405, 11-15HCP|pg|| mb|p|nt|granguru: would like to hear your arguments...I am open minded :)|pg|| nt|bernix: this looks like a run-of-the-mill 4@s to me|pg|| mb|1S|nt|chmitty: So Lauria will probably reject the option of double ... which could be effective in front of a @s lenght|pg|| mb|p|nt|granguru: kibz might enjoy an expert view on the matter|pg|| nt|paulg: I don't think cue bidding first and second round controls equally makes a huge difference to bidding slams, a lot of it still comes down to judgement|pg|| mb|1N|nt|paulg: i think the italians beat the americans so often because they had practised partnerships and better bidding methods|pg|| nt|granguru: being an expensive deparment players try to reduce judgement and increase accuracy|pg|| nt|granguru: good advice...on all contracts under 6NT|pg|| nt|peachy: There are no convention cards available for us (or anyone) so appreciate kib help in interpreting bids|pg|| nt|jcomyn: thought they play transfers over 1c|pg|| mb|p|nt|bernix: 3@c sounds like maximum with 5-card suit doesnt it|pg|| nt|danilo1: thk NS play 1NT 15-17 (or at least did before) ... 1@C is choice I believe (agree, 6 controls, no soft values, hand better for suit contracts)|pg|| mb|p|nt|granguru: agree paul|pg|| nt|paulg: this hand has another debatable point .. how do you break transfers?|pg|| nt|pelu: too difficult to start a cue bid if only A, a cue is an invitation for slam and often u will miss that - and bidding economy also tell u to start with the lovers cue bid|pg|| mb|p|nt|brolucius: Since there were so many small boards in the first half, I was hoping that all the spectacular stuff had been saved for the second half. False hopes...|pg|| nt|granguru: from 6NT on the strategy changes|pg|| nt|ntmon: 1NT will be played on most tables|pg|| pc|h5|nt|Walddk5: Welcome to Murat|pg|| nt|MolvaM: hello everyone :)|pg|| nt|pelu: 5 toptricks for defense, but not easy to take them|pg|| nt|paulg: i dislike showing a weak doubleton and telling them what to lead|pg|| nt|granguru: at top level players almost always lead the right card|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hT|nt|granguru: so it is better to bid accurately|pg|| pc|hJ|pg|| nt|brolucius: East has found a strong lead.|pg|| pc|d9|nt|pelu: now 7 tricks for Tokay|pg|| nt|pelu: prob 3@C dont show about @Cs but only maxz and 3 card support|pg|| nt|paulg: but i approve of breaking the transfer with only 3-card support, when you are so suitable|pg|| nt|granguru: once hamman erred a gran slam lead...20 years the hand was appearing in the news|pg|| nt|peachy: running scores Round 3 (this round) http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/orrrunda3.html|pg|| pc|d5|nt|granguru: And he used Judgement..with 2 aces he led the shortest one..(wrong)|pg|| pc|dA|nt|ntmon: i think they play crystallic clear Polish club, book version (2005 edition)|pg|| nt|jcomyn: must be as JASSEMS polish is transfer inh his book|pg|| pc|d3|pg|| nt|chmitty: Great decision by Lauria : 5@c would be at least 2 off when 4@h is down|pg|| nt|peachy: I did find a fairly recent card for EW http://www.archiviobridge.it/lauria-versace.pdf|pg|| pc|d8|nt|MolvaM: running a long suit usually creates problems for the defence|pg|| nt|peachy: NS basic system is Strong Club|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d2|pc|d6|pg|| nt|brolucius: Now a club ruff will beat it.|pg|| nt|ralfwil: -1 with best defence. a @c switch now|pg|| nt|rcerreto: @h9 ?|pg|| nt|rcerreto: looks to ask for @d|pg|| nt|brolucius: Failing that, a trump misguess by declarer.|pg|| nt|ralfwil: and in that case possibilities to -2|pg|| nt|rcerreto: E isn't willing to ask for a @c switch, not knowing what partner has in @c I think|pg|| nt|brolucius: South was declarer, after a transfer response to 1@C, at the other table.|pg|| nt|brolucius: We thought, in the match against Russia, that they seemed to be playing reverse suit-preference. So, maybe she has asked for a club.|pg|| nt|ralfwil: But if there is any possibility to defeat, it must be a @c ruff by E. Declarer can have @sKQJ|pg|| nt|pelu: in CR EW missed the defense against 4@S - played by S: @H to K, @D to A Now @CK to A, @S to 8 and Q, @CJ to Q - but not @C again|pg|| pc|s6|nt|pelu: now 9|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pg|| nt|pelu: well played by W - he set up a trap - and N fall in|pg|| nt|MolvaM: and looking happily for the 10th|pg|| nt|danilo1: 6@S is not good contract ... correct pass by Balicki ... |pg|| pc|d4|nt|ntmon: transfers don't fit much into the system, 1@D needs to be negative|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dQ|mc|7|nt|granguru: looks that there is no way to win...no entry to dummy|pg|| nt|granguru: @DK ?|pg|| nt|peachy: There are 15 groups of 8 teams each, the top three (I think) will advance to the Swiss, from where top teams advance to KO etc|pg|| nt|peachy: This isnt quite making, I think|pg|| pg|| qx|o24|st||md|2SQHKQ632DT3CJ8632,S6HJ9DAKQJ42CAT97,SA975432HA7D65C54,SKJT8HT854D987CKQ|sv|o|nt|jcwla: Common auction here in CR.|pg|| mb|1D|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|jfaria: 1@s = safer than 3 lol|pg|| mb|2D!|nt|jcwla: Well a perfectly fine save against game.|pg|| mb|3D|nt|jfaria: But EW can win 3nt|pg|| mb|p|nt|jcwla: Do you like E's pass of 1@S?|pg|| mb|3N|nt|jfaria: a delayed nt call, wonder what 1nt would mean|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c3|nt|jcwla: I'm told X would have been xfr to 1NT.|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c4|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c2|pc|c9|pc|c5|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d3|pc|dA|pc|d5|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c24|st||md|2SQHKQ632DT3CJ8632,S6HJ9DAKQJ42CAT97,SA975432HA7D65C54,SKJT8HT854D987CKQ|sv|o|nt|paulg: it was very tricky and I'm not sure he ever saw a line to make it. As I was struggling seeing all the hands, I'm not surprised really.|pg|| nt|granguru: garozzo had another saying..when you have a singleton, lead it...|pg|| nt|granguru: obviously at suit contracts|pg|| nt|peachy: It is one of his famous "Rules"|pg|| nt|granguru: in general, it made life easier for the defense...if you didnt lead a singleton..you didnt have it...|pg|| nt|peachy: Another one of Garozzo's: "Must have a very good reason for not leading trump"|pg|| nt|danilo1: he knows that pd must have very good @S + need @HK + more than just A in @D ... if all this, Adam would not bid 4@S over 4@H|pg|| mb|1D!|an| |mb|3S|nt|jcomyn: ah a slam and a minor one at that|pg|| mb|p|nt|rcerreto: openings are getting lighter and lighter, these days|pg|| nt|paulg: his line did have a lot of play|pg|| mb|p|nt|granguru: well if @H behave he could have made it..but that would have mean @S were also 1-1 and the line should have been different|pg|| nt|jcomyn: but a good sacrifice too|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|nt|pelu: top-players dont like the @d-suit :)|pg|| nt|chmitty: 2@d must be relay for clarification, and 3@c shows no major probably|pg|| nt|chmitty: Will south bid 3NT with 3 small spades ?|pg|| mb|p|nt|peachy: 2C prob Precision style, 5-6 clubs with possible 4-card major|pg|| mb|p|nt|rcerreto: tough lead|pg|| nt|rcerreto: nothing appeals, @d looks normal|pg|| nt|MolvaM: I know about 3700 people who would bid 2nt with east hand|pg|| nt|granguru: as I said at the beginning ..probably @S finesse instead of a @C|pg|| nt|jcomyn: is 2s not forcing|pg|| nt|Walddk5: Welcome to George Holland|pg|| nt|daman: Hi everyone|pg|| pc|cK|nt|pelu: Mahaffey won the first match 17-13 against a team from Romania (with Bocchi-Maddala!?), Aspe lost 10-20 to a strong team from England|pg|| nt|granguru: panski plays 4@H here|pg|| pc|c2|nt|rcerreto: leading the longest suit is always an option|pg|| nt|ntmon: very hard to find @D fit because of intervetion and inevitable raise|pg|| pc|c7|nt|peachy: good contract|pg|| nt|chmitty: 3@c more precise : no major and only one stopper ... South assumes the stopper is @s :)|pg|| nt|danilo1: 3@H is I guess 3NT try ... Cezary knows how valid is @CQ|pg|| pc|c4|pg|| nt|paulg: Bocchi-Madala are playing for Lavazza in another group, whatever the results page says|pg|| nt|vugraphplb: there is a little misunderstanding after explanation|pg|| nt|ntmon: protective X from W - can be really costly now|pg|| nt|ntmon: hi George|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c3|nt|vugraphplb: we have to wait for director decision in board 22|pg|| pc|c9|nt|rcerreto: David, would you lead small or an honour?|pg|| nt|chmitty: well bid|pg|| pc|c5|pg|| pc|sK|nt|pelu: if 1Nt = 12-14 I know as mynu who would pass - 12-14 + 10 = 22-24 and no spec fit|pg|| nt|Walddk5: Welcome to our second Murat, Anter|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|MolvaM: the results page is here http://www.poznan2011.pl/results but since the event just started there is nothing in so far|pg|| pc|s6|nt|granguru: madala's father was the greatest VUGRAPH comentator of all times...a full show|pg|| nt|danilo1: ... bidding also looks like Lebensohn too - so one or another ... now in 4@H|pg|| pc|sA|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h4|nt|granguru: bridge rama at the time|pg|| pc|h2|nt|rcerreto: Ralf?|pg|| nt|danilo1: Polish Specs confirming Lebensohl|pg|| pc|h9|pg|| pc|h7|nt|dburn: I guess I would lead low - some danger of a blockage if partner has @dJx, for example|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hK|nt|brolucius: I am in the middle of writing a book that involves computer analysis of opening leads. We have found that leading the top honour is generally right.|pg|| pc|hJ|pg|| pc|hQ|nt|granguru: .|pg|| nt|granguru: In board 22 the 3@D bid inhibited Hurd to lead the suit|pg|| nt|granguru: now claiming, for sure|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d5|nt|brolucius: More often than the old text-books suggest.|pg|| pc|h8|pg|| nt|ntmon: one undertrick saved|pg|| mc|7|nt|ralfwil: an honour, if dummy has a middle @d|pg|| nt|rcerreto: computer analysis could change several paradigms|pg|| pg|| qx|o25|st||md|3S76HT3DAQ9843CKT8,SAK93HQ874DJT7CQ2,SQJT52H652DK5CA96,S84HAKJ9D62CJ7543|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|p|nt|jfaria: same approach as in closed|pg|| nt|jfaria: hard for E to get in|pg|| mb|p|nt|jcwla: http://www.eurobridge.org/competitions/11Poznan/StaticRes/OSRR04.htm |pg|| pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s4|pc|s7|pg|| nt|jfaria: and a push|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c6|pc|c3|pc|cK|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d7|pc|dK|pc|d6|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|dT|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dJ|pc|h2|pc|c4|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sK|pc|s5|pc|s8|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h5|pc|hA|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hT|pc|h7|pc|h6|pg|| mc|9|nt|jfaria: Jan is sure of @s position to discard the @c|pg|| pg|| qx|c25|st||md|3S76HT3DAQ9843CKT8,SAK93HQ874DJT7CQ2,SQJT52H652DK5CA96,S84HAKJ9D62CJ7543|sv|e|nt|brolucius: We did not mention that Cronier's 3NT was rather bold. Most would bid 2NT and a (very) few might bid 1NT.|pg|| nt|rcerreto: true|pg|| nt|rcerreto: well judged|pg|| nt|ralfwil: but he needed @dJ on dummy|pg|| nt|granguru: or 3. very low level, doubled contracts|pg|| nt|ntmon: CR overbid to 4@S on 2|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|chmitty: next anyhow|pg|| nt|jcomyn: a real tempter|pg|| mb|3D|nt|pelu: ok NS play transfer over 1@c|pg|| nt|peachy: This is what commentator slang calls "coffee hand". No problems, everyone go refill your drink of choice|pg|| nt|ntmon: OR|pg|| mb|p|nt|rcerreto: that's why she bid 3 :)|pg|| nt|brolucius: Maybe 2@D?|pg|| nt|jcomyn: but that dont help|pg|| mb|p|nt|ralfwil: how many @s from W? I vote for 3@s|pg|| nt|paulg: i expect double shows the majors|pg|| nt|pelu: nice play to get 7 tricks in 2@c|pg|| nt|peachy: There certainly are very good reasons not to lead trump, but if one cant find one, then...trump|pg|| nt|granguru: aaah yes|pg|| mb|p|nt|rcerreto: a good partner has the J|pg|| nt|vugraphplb: http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/oswleaderb.html|pg|| nt|jcomyn: now with no d bid they stay out of slam|pg|| nt|ntmon: @D cue - ostensibly|pg|| pc|sA|nt|rcerreto: oops, sorry|pg|| nt|rcerreto: he bid|pg|| nt|ralfwil: anyone with me?|pg|| nt|rcerreto: with 2@d?|pg|| nt|brolucius: Closer to 3@S than 1@S, perhaps.|pg|| nt|rcerreto: 1@s looks a little timid to me|pg|| nt|pelu: strange take out X by Baldurson|pg|| nt|daman: Hi Vladimir|pg|| pc|s2|nt|ralfwil: a 6-card suit @hK and a stiff @d|pg|| nt|brolucius: Spade game needs to be bid.|pg|| nt|rcerreto: good sacrifice in 5@d|pg|| nt|MolvaM: so 1@s probably shows 3 card spades?|pg|| nt|pelu: sorry - prob support x in @H|pg|| nt|jcomyn: or a dont-lead-a-diamond system|pg|| pc|s4|nt|brolucius: I don't know that 1@H was right when East had indicated the majors.|pg|| nt|rcerreto: maybe it was also meant to show real @c|pg|| nt|rcerreto: unsure though|pg|| nt|ralfwil: 3@h is for me a strong 3@s rise and an invite to 4@s|pg|| nt|MolvaM: and baldurson dbl is kind of a support dbl?|pg|| nt|pelu: ok he was down 2 - but recived a gift|pg|| nt|danilo1: interested in choice what/how to bid by South (1@C Polish, most often 12-14 BAL) |pg|| pc|s6|pg|| nt|brolucius: Allerton may have misread 3@H but East can correct.|pg|| nt|brolucius: Anyway, this is the sort of board we were looking for, after so much drab stuff.|pg|| nt|rcerreto: he has a pretty good hand, in context|pg|| nt|ralfwil: but you agree with the strong rise David?|pg|| nt|peachy: Strong 1C, probable 0-7 or some such 1D|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|granguru: under this premise I agree fully..the same philosophy of the 6NT lead..dont give tricks away to declarer on the initial lead.|pg|| nt|granguru: when you have points in all side suits normally declarer has a solid trump suit...|pg|| nt|ntmon: worked!|pg|| pc|c6|nt|brolucius: Presumably intended as that. Since 1@S shows very little, as I see it, East might also consider 3@S.|pg|| nt|ralfwil: but the best with this bidding is that W has shown his @h honour|pg|| nt|rcerreto: maybe their standard for free bids is higher than yours and mine|pg|| nt|danilo1: 2@C may be @D transfer, or kind of asking - if so 2@D may just show min.|pg|| nt|Walddk1: Welcome to Richard Bley|pg|| nt|riccho: Good Morning everyone :) |pg|| nt|danilo1: Hi Richard|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cK|pg|| nt|pelu: Easr didnt read the X from West as @hs|pg|| nt|pelu: saved by S|pg|| nt|murat: good afternoon all :)|pg|| nt|pelu: wellcome now we hace 2 x Murat :)|pg|| pc|d3|nt|brolucius: Although we may quibble with the odd bid or two, it seems that the players have judged it very well around the table. |pg|| nt|rcerreto: anyway, they succeeded in bidding the par|pg|| nt|brolucius: The term 'free bid' was responsible for a lot of awful bidding many decades ago.|pg|| nt|murat: guess one of the most common names of Turkey :)|pg|| pc|d7|nt|rcerreto: in a difficult board|pg|| nt|rcerreto: yes, indeed|pg|| nt|granguru: ! both players are a bit exaggerating their hands|pg|| mb|4H|nt|peachy: Not knowing their system, North's Pass might have included better hands, and wek hands run immediately via Rdbl, that is one way of playing|pg|| nt|danilo1: not sure how obvious is 3NT by East ... he is min, and 2 open suits ... OK, has 3 tens and 5-card @C ... still|pg|| nt|riccho: now decl has 9 tricks in his bag. I c no other option than to play for @c to be 3-3 (or Hx somewhere). |pg|| nt|danilo1: wrong lead .... and big diff. |pg|| mb|p|nt|brolucius: Obviously East had read West for a much better hand than he holds.|pg|| mb|p|nt|ralfwil: and I can´t see why...|pg|| mb|p|nt|riccho: E needs 33 in @c without alternative, because due to communication problems he has to duck @c immediately |pg|| nt|ntmon: looks like 1@D showing @h, 1@S nat forcing, 2@C weak preference, 2@H good hand|pg|| nt|daman: makes sense to me|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|ntmon: i like transfer responses to 1@C - room for many gadgets|pg|| nt|daman: yes |pg|| nt|daman: I don't think 1@D was a transfer I think just a negative over the big club|pg|| nt|daman: <7|pg|| pc|c4|nt|brolucius: Such a shame to lose IMPs unnecessarily when there are so many other ways of losing IMPs.|pg|| nt|rcerreto: could W consider his hand balanced?|pg|| nt|rcerreto: then open 1NT (or rebidding, if 1NT is weak)?|pg|| nt|brolucius: 3@C was presumably non-forcing, so it is hard to see how East had enough to look for an 11-trick game.|pg|| nt|granguru: well he treated the hand as a croos ruffing type|pg|| nt|granguru: and protected potential @d tricks|pg|| nt|peachy: Protected diamond tricks I think|pg|| nt|ntmon: then 2@C doesn't make much sense |pg|| pc|c9|nt|ralfwil: If 1@s is´nt spades, 1nt from W looks normal for me |pg|| nt|murat: 9 tricks i guess|pg|| nt|jcomyn: another claim i daresay|pg|| pc|cA|pg|| pc|c7|nt|danilo1: ideal def. is I guess -3 ... now making .. @SAK and small @C|pg|| pc|c3|nt|granguru: now he is not so sure anymore....|pg|| nt|chmitty: yep ... may be here they are in some "hole" of their system|pg|| pc|cT|nt|peachy: Although, 2D foes not necessarily promise 4+ diamonds|pg|| nt|daman: it does seem starange|pg|| pc|c2|pg|| nt|peachy: In my opinion, the range 12-16 is susceptible to trouble at some point|pg|| nt|peachy: kib says my suggeswted method is common in Hungary, but we still dont know if NS play that way|pg|| nt|riccho: with 23 HCP and no fit you have to be lucky to succeed in 3NT... |pg|| nt|danilo1: wrong = unlucky (lead) |pg|| nt|daman: strange*|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c8|nt|granguru: as we see, he changed his mind but fortunatelly N had a @S left|pg|| nt|peachy: if EW play 2/1 (which I do not know if they do)|pg|| pc|d7|pc|c6|pg|| nt|danilo1: waw :)|pg|| nt|riccho: leading and slam bidding are the most expensive parts of team playing. This is another proof of that... |pg|| nt|danilo1: did he really believe that Cezary would play @C from Jxx?|pg|| nt|riccho: declarer - much to his discomfort - found another way of handling the @c suit|pg|| nt|jcomyn: sorry gotg held up|pg|| nt|daman: Hi John|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h7|nt|ntmon: hi John|pg|| pc|h2|nt|MolvaM: I was asked twice the question "what are these people doing here" :) probably looking at the strane flag combinations|pg|| nt|MolvaM: this is the European Opan Championship|pg|| nt|MolvaM: Open|pg|| nt|granguru: excelent defense after all|pg|| pc|hK|pg|| nt|danilo1: Adam will resolve problem ... if declar would have @HK, he will not be in hurry with @S unblock|pg|| nt|riccho: decl may have trusted the length signal from S (it it was one...). Doesn´t he know Balicki - Zmudzinski then? |pg|| nt|jcomyn: hiya |pg|| pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d4|nt|pelu: very nice defense|pg|| pc|dJ|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d6|nt|granguru: declarer can lose 4 more tricks now|pg|| nt|granguru: for down THREE|pg|| pc|dK|nt|granguru: panski wished he would have been in dummy now|pg|| pc|h9|pg|| nt|chmitty: As usual, Lauria "manipulates" his cards for his best benefit and will claim 8 tricks|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s4|nt|brolucius: Going two down may make it seem a bit less of a disappointment.|pg|| pc|s5|pg|| nt|granguru: @Sq is a killer|pg|| pc|sK|nt|riccho: you dont only have to be lucky, but you should know when you are |pg|| pc|s7|nt|peachy: right, play trump and get those kiddies off the street, rest easy|pg|| pc|s9|nt|granguru: was not bad |pg|| nt|granguru: so it was a discard after all|pg|| nt|Walddk1: http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/oswrunda3.html|pg|| pc|s6|pg|| nt|ntmon: 4-1 trumps complicate things, but cross-ruff works |pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h5|pc|d5|pg|| nt|peachy: Back to down 1, S will be endplayed in S|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|h4|nt|ntmon: declarer assured of 3 more trump tricks|pg|| pc|h6|pc|sT|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o27|st||md|1S532HKQ98DAKT74C5,SKQT6HAJ76DCQT863,SAJ94HT3DQ53CAKJ4,S87H542DJ9862C972|sv|o|mb|1D|mb|d|mb|1H!|nt|jfaria: really strange|pg|| mb|p|mb|1S!|mb|p|nt|jcwla: Well to quote Lesley Ann Warren in "Clue," "I enjoy getting presents from strange men."|pg|| nt|jcwla: Probably to 3NT here.|pg|| mb|2C!|mb|p|mb|2D!|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|nt|jfaria: wonder who isthinking?|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|jfaria: is it Jan considering 4@s?|pg|| nt|jfaria: or W considering to sacrifice?|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c5|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h2|pc|h8|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cK|pc|c2|pc|s2|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h4|pc|h9|pc|hA|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|s8|pc|s3|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c9|pc|s5|pc|c3|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|h6|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h7|pc|s4|pc|h5|pg|| pc|hK|pc|sT|pc|s9|pc|s7|pg|| pc|d4|pc|c6|pc|dQ|pc|d6|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d8|pc|dT|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|dK|pc|cT|pc|c4|pc|d9|pg|| pc|d7|pc|sK|pc|sJ|pc|dJ|pg|| pg|| qx|c27|st||md|1S532HKQ98DAKT74C5,SKQT6HAJ76DCQT863,SAJ94HT3DQ53CAKJ4,S87H542DJ9862C972|sv|o|nt|ralfwil: a wise man told me once - don´t take gifts, so @dK should be played to follow his advise|pg|| nt|brolucius: FIFA do not follow that advice.|pg|| nt|MolvaM: so there is no restriction in countries and anybody can play with anybody from any country|pg|| nt|MolvaM: totally open event|pg|| nt|MolvaM: and even though its a European event, its open to people from other continents|pg|| nt|riccho: -400 instead of +600 ... urks|pg|| nt|jcomyn: yawn yawn hand|pg|| mb|1D|mb|d|nt|jcomyn: obvious 3nt|pg|| mb|r|nt|granguru: S should have played a @H at trick 4 in tha last hand|pg|| nt|peachy: Nort upgraded this to Strong 16+ 1C|pg|| mb|p|nt|chmitty: we can imagine NS will reach 4@s|pg|| nt|danilo1: well, ideal (double Dummy def.) was @H lead for !Q, @D back, and @H ... since @D block later ... -3 .. but NS foudnd way for -4 :)|pg|| mb|p|nt|peachy: I qm surprised at 1C|pg|| mb|1H|nt|paulg: 3@h is the probably the value bid for Mahaffey, but many just put 4@h on the table and make it the opponents' problem|pg|| nt|pelu: East for sure dont like his hand after 2@D overcall|pg|| nt|chmitty: Many will open 4@s in this position|pg|| nt|jcomyn: wrong again - oh well|pg|| mb|1S|nt|jcomyn: I dont know how he can pass|pg|| nt|ntmon: should not be right :(|pg|| nt|jcomyn: 11 tricks cold in s and he didnt even double 5c|pg|| mb|p|nt|paulg: South will pass, probably needs a fourth spade to double|pg|| nt|jcomyn: 5c at least 2 down to save some imps|pg|| nt|daman: it would be hard to stop below 3NT I agree|pg|| nt|ntmon: hopefully 1@S is understood as forcing|pg|| mb|2S|nt|brolucius: Some might play a weak-strong 2NT on the East cards, to differentiate between strong and distributional 3@D hands.|pg|| nt|pelu: what a lead - but he will have a new chance later|pg|| nt|riccho: heh|pg|| mb|p|nt|rcerreto: no way to play trumps from N|pg|| nt|rcerreto: then it should make|pg|| nt|murat: anybody dbl with east hand ?|pg|| nt|peachy: Molenaar must have at least thought of balancing|pg|| nt|granguru: leslie amoils is a canadian player...wonder why she has the USA flag here|pg|| mb|4S|nt|rcerreto: even misguessing @d|pg|| nt|MolvaM: not me|pg|| nt|murat: i mean after 4@h|pg|| nt|pelu: no|pg|| nt|paulg: standard Polish lead, second highest from three|pg|| nt|granguru: @SQ9 big helpers|pg|| nt|chmitty: let's see if declarer finds the way to 10 tricks|pg|| nt|chmitty: a @c at trick 2 would reveal most of the layout|pg|| nt|chmitty: North can see that East does not hold AK or KDJ @c|pg|| nt|chmitty: and not QJ@h either|pg|| mb|p|nt|peachy: Plenty to think about before playing trick 1|pg|| mb|p|nt|rcerreto: oops|pg|| nt|rcerreto: they found the way|pg|| nt|Walddk3: Both losing semifinalists are awarded bronze medals. There is no playoff for third place (a good decision in my view)|pg|| nt|brolucius: East hoping for a heart ruff.|pg|| nt|rcerreto: yes, 3rd-4th place finals are dull|pg|| nt|brolucius: But neither team has a bronze medal in their sights at this moment.|pg|| nt|rcerreto: winning A and playing a @h back would have forced S to play trumps but...|pg|| mb|p|nt|rcerreto: this way has a chance to discard a @h on @s|pg|| nt|pelu: why sh he X?|pg|| pc|h2|nt|rcerreto: a very good chance now|pg|| nt|Walddk5: http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/oswrunda5.html running now|pg|| pc|hK|nt|ntmon: more sporting contract but makes|pg|| nt|daman: I did not expect 4@S to be the final contract|pg|| nt|jcomyn: who would. another did you buy a lottery ticket hand|pg|| pc|hA|pc|hT|pg|| nt|MolvaM: looks like 4 losers but declarer will still look for an endplay to get rid of the@s loser|pg|| nt|murat: for a save or for some money|pg|| nt|jcomyn: missin just the KQ10876 of trumps|pg|| nt|daman: over 2@S North could have bid 3@H|pg|| nt|ntmon: if N was afraid 1@H being passed out, should have bid 2@H|pg|| nt|daman: or South could simply have bid 2@D over 1@S|pg|| nt|ntmon: that would bring 2@S if S has them for sure|pg|| pc|c3|nt|ntmon: i would feel elevated with S hand as such and did some cunning bidding, at least 4@D splinter |pg|| pc|cA|nt|riccho: another time to misguess sth for E here. Difficult to be right here after u mangled a hand like the one before. will be interesting to c if E is still inspired enought|pg|| pc|c2|nt|pelu: score now 13-1 for Lavazza|pg|| nt|chmitty: is this the actual play ????|pg|| nt|peachy: Declarer does not know that DA drops doubleton, he took a chance that E lead from QJxxx|pg|| nt|danilo1: another case for invitational bid ... and pass ... especiall when playing vs. excellent defenders ... |pg|| nt|riccho: he should do it right anyway: S didnt open but showed @hAK now|pg|| nt|danilo1: this will go down much easier (unf. also less :))|pg|| pc|c5|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|s2|nt|granguru: Leslie should be Les Amoils, male, lived in South Africa before coming to Canada|pg|| pc|s6|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o28|st||md|2SA982HJ3DJT53C743,SQJT53HTDAQ62CQ52,SK4HAKQ62DK874CK6,S76H98754D9CAJT98|sv|n|mb|1S!|mb|d|mb|1N!|mb|p|mb|2C!|mb|2H|nt|jfaria: 1nt may be 2 places to play?|pg|| mb|p|nt|jfaria: or @c transfer im told|pg|| mb|3C!|mb|p!|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|jfaria: this could be a swing|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c3|pc|c2|pc|cK|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h4|pc|hJ|pc|hT|pg|| pc|h3|pc|s3|pc|hA|pc|h5|pg|| nt|jfaria: must return to dummy and play @d|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|s5|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dA|pc|d4|nt|jfaria: to a net + 70|pg|| pc|d9|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c6|pc|c8|pc|c7|pg|| pc|c5|pc|d7|pc|c9|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cA|pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|d8|pg|| pc|cT|pc|s2|pc|sT|pc|h6|pg|| pc|h7|mc|8|pg|| qx|c28|st||md|2SA982HJ3DJT53C743,SQJT53HTDAQ62CQ52,SK4HAKQ62DK874CK6,S76H98754D9CAJT98|sv|n|nt|rcerreto: anyway, she guessed @d right|pg|| nt|brolucius: All plus scores gratefully received.|pg|| nt|rcerreto: it was just a matter of overtricks then|pg|| nt|Walddk3: Can you stand another nail-biter, David?|pg|| nt|brolucius: Yes, I have taken my pills.|pg|| nt|pelu: sorru on East|pg|| nt|granguru: panski is trying to cash all defensive tricks bfore it is too late|pg|| nt|chmitty: a nice "challenge the champs" deal here|pg|| nt|chmitty: 7@h = 20/20|pg|| mb|1D!|an| |nt|peachy: Kamil's team is listed as transnational, not USA, in the event|pg|| mb|d|nt|granguru: S multi 2@D|pg|| nt|paulg: good result for Meckwell in the other room (probably not the last time we'll say that in this championship)|pg|| mb|r|an| |nt|paulg: I've noticed many pairs treat the Multi 2@d as weak with spades when it comes to their 2nd seat defence|pg|| nt|pelu: and 5@H close to make on a small @S-lead |pg|| nt|paulg: it's rare to see that in the UK, but would work here|pg|| nt|paulg: 3@h from North?|pg|| nt|ntmon: krajewski in the meantime gains with a series of mid-sized profits|pg|| nt|daman: must be a canape opening|pg|| mb|p|nt|Walddk3: No credit for my hy-phen?|pg|| nt|pelu: for D = balanced 12-15 or any 16+|pg|| nt|pelu: for me|pg|| nt|granguru: Amoil played for SA in the world teams in bermuda 2000 |pg|| nt|peachy: really light third-seater here|pg|| nt|vugraphplb: i thought that he is from Usa becouse he doesn't exist in EBL base|pg|| mb|1S|nt|paulg: that is the norm in the UK too|pg|| nt|jcomyn: 3nt i suppose|pg|| nt|ntmon: strong @C variety, finally|pg|| mb|p|nt|paulg: 4@d will be 'bid your major' (4@c would have been transfer to your major)|pg|| nt|granguru: yes many play 2@D x= short in @S |pg|| nt|daman: this auction should show longer @Ss than @Ds|pg|| mb|p|nt|pelu: wd by West|pg|| nt|granguru: and 2@d - 2@h 5+ @H|pg|| nt|paulg: this is similar to the situation in the Open Room, where West doubled|pg|| nt|pelu: forcing pass in N?|pg|| mb|p|nt|brolucius: Be careful because jtr is watching.|pg|| nt|granguru: now a correct flag in W ...thanks Michal|pg|| nt|peachy: and another 16+ 1C here, maybe they have additional agreements on what constitutes a 1C opening that we do not know about |pg|| nt|ntmon: XX = transfer to @H ?|pg|| pc|hA|nt|ralfwil: ??? dbl from me as E|pg|| nt|paulg: surely not a forcing pass situation|pg|| nt|jcomyn: hmmm 24 hcp and want to defend 1s - verybrave|pg|| pc|h4|nt|pelu: but East help him, in on @CK he played @D - ruff, @C to A @S to 10 and duck - and now endplayed - East sh play @C back and no endplay|pg|| pc|h3|nt|rcerreto: a cheap save on 4@h|pg|| nt|brolucius: 4@S has escaped a double, but the cards lie well for declarer so the lack of a double will not cost E/W much.|pg|| nt|granguru: In the meanwhile NS surpassed the safet level of 5@C|pg|| nt|granguru: is 6@C makeable?|pg|| nt|granguru: after A GAROZZO's lead|pg|| nt|peachy: on the surface, looks like just lose a spade, whether the tricks are there is another matter|pg|| nt|peachy: Kib who knows NS style says they love to surprise opps with frequent tactical bids|pg|| nt|riccho: 1 trick in every suit for ew = just make|pg|| pc|hT|pg|| nt|danilo1: despite 3NT looks makable for NS ... good defense should beat it ... so good stop|pg|| nt|daman: http://www.bridgeguys.com/CGlossary/canape.html|pg|| nt|daman: website for results http://www.poznan2011.pl/|pg|| pc|sK|nt|ralfwil: but still a dbl....|pg|| nt|granguru: 2 discards on reds|pg|| nt|chmitty: as long as they do not surprise themselves that's fine :)|pg|| pc|s6|nt|pelu: why not - u have bid game Red against green |pg|| pc|s2|nt|pelu: its for me a good standard rule|pg|| nt|chmitty: Full brakes on, from North's standpoint|pg|| nt|chmitty: South has a lot ... can he give up ?|pg|| nt|peachy: 6 controls opposite strong club, he just cant pass|pg|| pc|s3|pg|| nt|jcomyn: choice of plays - hate thast|pg|| nt|jcomyn: probably play on d and postpone finesses|pg|| nt|ntmon: on 17, meckwell started as reccomended: 1@S-2N-4@D|pg|| nt|ntmon: perhaps @H finesse, if ducked revert to @D|pg|| nt|jcomyn: little point in ducking|pg|| nt|ntmon: not an easy hand due to communication problems|pg|| nt|jcomyn: so many choices|pg|| pc|s4|nt|brolucius: Had the cards lain differently, not doubling might have waved goodbye to 500 or so.|pg|| nt|brolucius: East may have feared a third-hand opener, but her side was vulnerable.|pg|| nt|ralfwil: a thirs hand opening, but I can take 170 extra if declarer makes|pg|| nt|brolucius: West does not know that partner holds 10 points, so he cannot double 4@S even with an extra value or so. |pg|| nt|ralfwil: but shouldn´t E?|pg|| nt|pelu: now N can make 1NT - topplay @Hs and only 6 tricks for EW|pg|| nt|granguru: 3 discards on reds sorry|pg|| nt|granguru: one @S given up|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sA|nt|Walddk3: The contract is doubled at both tables in the other match|pg|| nt|granguru: so just one ruff needed|pg|| nt|peachy: It is also possible that 4S was RKC|pg|| pc|s5|pg|| nt|daman: vugraph schedule for future matches http://www.bridgebase.com/vugraph/schedule.php|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|brolucius: Quite right.|pg|| nt|chmitty: May be 4@s was kind of blackwood|pg|| pc|sT|nt|peachy: it does make|pg|| nt|granguru: not even garozzo beats 6@c here|pg|| pc|h2|nt|peachy: WD White House team|pg|| nt|peachy: It would be nice if in a competition of this level, there were convention cards available|pg|| nt|chmitty: true :(|pg|| nt|chmitty: True also that there are many pairs in competition : huge job|pg|| nt|peachy: It makes kibitzing so much nicer, to know what the auction means|pg|| pc|h5|pg|| nt|chmitty: a suggestion could be that the players had to fill themselves an "electronic convention card" before the championship|pg|| nt|ntmon: right, John :)|pg|| nt|jcomyn: its a headache hand |pg|| nt|ntmon: agree|pg|| nt|jcomyn: d suit may die now|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|chmitty: that will come soon, I'm sure|pg|| pc|h6|nt|murat: he should played the Ace @h|pg|| nt|ntmon: N with shut down with XX showing @H|pg|| pc|h7|nt|jcomyn: and just did|pg|| nt|jcomyn: I dont think he found the best line entries are very short for finessing|pg|| nt|jcomyn: cant even get a s if d is returned|pg|| pc|s8|pg|| nt|paulg: it is a good standard rule for me too, but not when one hand has pre-empted|pg|| pc|sJ|nt|brolucius: Now East may grab @CA.|pg|| nt|dburn: chances are that since East didn't double here South might get the clubs wrong|pg|| pc|d4|pc|h8|pc|s9|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|murat: now he's in trouble|pg|| pc|cK|nt|pelu: for me "multi" is nor real preemt - just a semicontructiv opening bid|pg|| pc|cA|nt|pelu: wrong @hA ok if 3-3 and @H 10 nevber correct|pg|| pc|c3|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c4|nt|murat: did he really discard @h ?|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c6|pg|| pc|cT|nt|murat: probably not|pg|| pc|c7|nt|vugraphplb: yes he did|pg|| pc|c5|pc|d7|pg|| pc|c9|nt|dburn: but not if East does that, of course|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o29|st||md|3SQJ87643HD93CQT43,ST2HA984DT4CA9765,S95HKQJT753DAJ7CJ,SAKH62DKQ8652CK82|sv|b|nt|jcwla: I wonder why it sometimes gives the numerical scores and sometimes doesn't.|pg|| mb|1H|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|3H|mb|d|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|4D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sQ|pc|s2|pc|s5|pc|sK|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c3|pc|cA|pc|cJ|pg|| nt|jfaria: now what?|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d7|pc|dQ|pc|d9|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c4|pc|c5|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d3|pc|dT|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h2|pc|s3|pc|hA|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c29|st||md|3SQJ87643HD93CQT43,ST2HA984DT4CA9765,S95HKQJT753DAJ7CJ,SAKH62DKQ8652CK82|sv|b|nt|ralfwil: but perhaps only 2 imps|pg|| nt|rcerreto: should she risk -420 to get 100 instead of 50?|pg|| nt|dburn: risk? what risk?|pg|| nt|brolucius: Better to risk a double in the first place.|pg|| nt|Walddk3: An excellent 6@D now|pg|| nt|dburn: declarer could have the singleton king of clubs only if she had about ten cards rather than thirteen|pg|| nt|rcerreto: can declarer have one more @d one less @c?|pg|| nt|ralfwil: 6@d on NS - a nice contract|pg|| nt|rcerreto: N was declarer, I think|pg|| nt|Walddk3: In theory, there is a club ruff, but fortunately for declarer, the defender with the singleton club also has @DA|pg|| nt|brolucius: An interesting bidding test. If they bid it, I will applaud.|pg|| nt|brolucius: 6@C is more tricky and that might be reached.|pg|| nt|Walddk3: They may arrive in 6@C, though|pg|| nt|Walddk3: With problems on a spade lead|pg|| nt|brolucius: Yes.|pg|| nt|ralfwil: can they make 1C after a @c lead? I doubt|pg|| nt|brolucius: This is the sort of board we were hoping for. No-one wants these matches to be decided on small margins after some drab boards.|pg|| nt|ralfwil: sry @s lead|pg|| nt|ralfwil: 6@c after a @s lead....|pg|| nt|peachy: In "real" championships, I think that is how it is done, these championships are open to anybody who wants enter from anywhere in the world, no qualification required|pg|| nt|danilo1: running scores now on: http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/oswrunda3.html|pg|| nt|riccho: a matter of style and system if u open the N hand with 1@c 2@c or 3@c|pg|| nt|riccho: or even pass |pg|| nt|riccho: 3@c wouldn´t be my choice anyway|pg|| nt|jcomyn: i venture to say this was misplayed|pg|| nt|daman: good stuff for EW|pg|| nt|daman: N will open 4@H|pg|| mb|4H|mb|p|nt|brolucius: If one side wins after doing better on the big boards, then good luck to them - (even if they are not from England)|pg|| nt|murat: that was unexpected|pg|| nt|MolvaM: the contract went both ways during play and finally declarer came out as the winner|pg|| nt|paulg: Seeing your partner pass when you have a balanced zero count is never good|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|pelu: 34 HCP - I exp slam with most tables|pg|| nt|paulg: 1@s now from South?|pg|| nt|peachy: And teams can have members from any country = all transnational|pg|| nt|danilo1: 2@C precision style ... part of Polish @C system|pg|| pc|sK|nt|riccho: so a precision like 2@c opening here |pg|| pc|s3|nt|ralfwil: If declarer plays @d before havinc cleaned trumps, another @s will set up a trumph trick|pg|| pc|s2|nt|brolucius: D'Ovidio has started well by emphasizing the diamonds before supporting clubs.|pg|| nt|granguru: NS has a score sheet we all like to bring to the comparison table...all NS scores|pg|| pc|s5|pg|| nt|Walddk3: 6@C in the closed room|pg|| nt|Walddk3: Waiting for the lead|pg|| nt|Walddk3: @SQ|pg|| nt|chmitty: 2NT forcing asking for clarifications|pg|| nt|jcomyn: what can ew make - d position pleasant|pg|| pc|dQ|nt|pelu: but not so easy to bid the Grand|pg|| nt|granguru: 7@D should be|pg|| pc|d3|nt|brolucius: Ouch!|pg|| nt|murat: would you also prefer 2@s ?|pg|| pc|d4|nt|brolucius: Imagine winning the board with 3NT.|pg|| nt|brolucius: A spade lead would not beat 3NT if clubs were 3-2.|pg|| nt|brolucius: not beat 6@C, I mean|pg|| pc|d7|pg|| nt|ralfwil: true!|pg|| nt|paulg: tougher when you have not shown your 5-card support for partner|pg|| pc|d8|nt|pelu: roller-coaster :)|pg|| pc|d9|nt|MolvaM: this is interesting|pg|| nt|murat: Tokay should work some |pg|| nt|MolvaM: has to keep south out|pg|| nt|riccho: to duck wont help here|pg|| pc|dT|nt|granguru: Even if that doesnt mean anything, usually it is a good sign...|pg|| nt|chmitty: Lauria could hold : Kx KQ10xxx x Kxxx whixh would produce an excellent slam|pg|| pc|dJ|pg|| nt|peachy: Declarer does not know how hearts sit so he might duck one, but as it is, does not matter|pg|| nt|riccho: or?|pg|| nt|riccho: it helps: decl can develop 3 tricks in @s|pg|| pc|hQ|nt|jcomyn: bidding on bd 18 has taken off to 4nt already|pg|| pc|h2|nt|pelu: would u X in West or bid 2Nt?|pg|| nt|paulg: i would have started with 2@d (inverted) personally, even if showing your 4-card major first seems to be growing in popularity|pg|| nt|daman: it isn't so much what they can make can they reasonably bid over the 4@H opening?|pg|| pc|s4|nt|peachy: running scores http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/orrrunda4.html|pg|| nt|rcerreto: la fai o non la fai la cue di x nel colore del compagno?|pg|| nt|rcerreto: sorry|pg|| nt|chmitty: :)|pg|| nt|peachy: Once all matches a completed, standings in each group will be here http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/orrleaderb.html|pg|| nt|chmitty: Lauria considering his options in case @h are 4-1|pg|| nt|peachy: there are 15 groups of 8 teams each|pg|| nt|chmitty: only danger to consider|pg|| nt|chmitty: ha can : a) play Ace @h and @h or b) play small @h to retain an extra entry in dummy or c) unblock @s ace and run Q @h|pg|| nt|jcomyn: no of course not unless someone doubles|pg|| pc|h4|pg|| nt|pelu: but then u would mis a 4-4 fit in @H - pd could be 4-4-3-2|pg|| nt|danilo1: since @D bad ... declare cannot come to 9 trick on time .. before Nort enters with @SK 8if Cezary just continues @C)|pg|| nt|daman: correct|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|murat: dbl i guess|pg|| nt|pelu: for 100% 2NT|pg|| nt|MolvaM: I would bid 2nt|pg|| nt|pelu: 2NT = 16-19, D + 2Nt = 20+|pg|| pc|h6|nt|jcomyn: jassem may be lucky|pg|| pc|s6|pc|h8|pg|| pc|hK|nt|MolvaM: whenever I double, lefty bids 4@h and pd bids 4@s with 4 cards|pg|| nt|danilo1: now made ... time for 3@S tricks|pg|| pc|d5|nt|chmitty: he has choosen option a) :)|pg|| nt|chmitty: and we can see he is still Ok because South is endplayed|pg|| pc|c3|nt|murat: i prefer 2NT with 15-17 |pg|| nt|murat: bad 18|pg|| nt|riccho: now he has 9 tricks in his bag |pg|| pc|hA|pg|| nt|peachy: Doubledummy = seeing all four hands, ducking is wrong. Not seeing all four hands, it is a normal play|pg|| pc|cA|pc|cJ|pc|c2|nt|pelu: many play that 1@D - 2@D = no 4 card major|pg|| pc|c4|pg|| nt|ntmon: EW could not X tor T/O w/o @S|pg|| pc|c5|nt|brolucius: So, 20+ IMPs swing due to a 4-1 break. Well, that's part of the game. Hard to take, though.|pg|| nt|murat: he was afraid of Q@c |pg|| nt|danilo1: @C continuation would beat|pg|| pc|h3|nt|pelu: @cQ and @S back and Tokay will regret that he used his only entry to dummy|pg|| nt|MolvaM: kibs are shocked... to play clubs from hand is purely double dummy. he cant do that|pg|| nt|pelu: but against storng defense his plan sh fail|pg|| nt|MolvaM: he can hope that @cA is with north but very hard to play for both honors to be there|pg|| nt|pelu: if S has showed distrbution in the black suits - and easy defense for N|pg|| nt|MolvaM: well some days even 2 club tricks could be enough|pg|| nt|MolvaM: he could catch the @dQ|pg|| nt|murat: he's hopeless now|pg|| nt|MolvaM: so to play for @cQx inside is not a terrible play|pg|| nt|pelu: now running score in Women and Senior : http://www.poznan2011.pl/results|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cT|pg|| pc|hT|nt|peachy: http://www.eurobridge.org/competitions/11Poznan/Poznan.htm tourney website (bulletins, regulations etc.) |pg|| nt|riccho: if N had continued @c, decl would have to rely on a @d break - and fail|pg|| nt|jcomyn: Meckwell in 6h on board 18 - wow|pg|| pc|d2|pc|s7|pc|h9|pg|| pc|h7|nt|murat: he's at home again :)|pg|| nt|pelu: but even with @CQ x in S u are down, @C to J and duck, @CK duck|pg|| nt|murat: cash the diamonds|pg|| nt|MolvaM: did he really play the king?|pg|| nt|MolvaM: the ace?|pg|| nt|murat: A @s and a club|pg|| nt|MolvaM: the @dJ was wining the trick|pg|| pc|cK|pc|s8|pc|c6|pg|| mc|8|nt|riccho: so the duck didn´t help theoretically, but practically only|pg|| pg|| qx|o30|st||md|4SKQ973H32DQJ762C8,S85HAQ65DA4CT6542,SAJTHKJ974DKTCKJ9,S642HT8D9853CAQ73|sv|o|nt|jcwla: All downhall for Krajewski since that lapse by Kotorowicz.|pg|| nt|jcwla: Last board of the segment, thanks all.|pg|| mb|p|mb|2S!|mb|p|nt|jfaria: Nice recover 4 dutch, just have to bid this game|pg|| nt|jfaria: board 26 is really odd|pg|| mb|3D!|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|jfaria: im told 3@d inv...in @s|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sT|pc|s2|pc|s3|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|d4|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d5|pc|d6|pc|dA|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|s7|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s6|pc|sK|pc|c2|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|c4|pc|h4|pc|d8|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|h5|pc|h7|pc|d9|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c5|pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|cA|pc|s9|pc|c6|pc|c9|pg|| pc|sQ|mc|10|nt|vugraphplE: thanks all|pg|| pg|| qx|c30|st||md|4SKQ973H32DQJ762C8,S85HAQ65DA4CT6542,SAJTHKJ974DKTCKJ9,S642HT8D9853CAQ73|sv|o|nt|Walddk3: 12 IMPs not the end of the world at this point|pg|| nt|ralfwil: another slam|pg|| nt|brolucius: So, Allerton-Leslie will think that they may have had a very big board.|pg|| nt|pelu: same did N :)|pg|| nt|paulg: i would be bidding hearts on the next round|pg|| nt|granguru: I think it is the correct way |pg|| nt|pelu: yes and that would show @H-stopper and bad @ss|pg|| nt|pelu: the problem - at boprt tables was Ss bold @s-bid|pg|| nt|chmitty: last board for today|pg|| nt|daman: last board of this set now|pg|| nt|ntmon: hard to predict if -200 is a loss or a profit|pg|| mb|p|nt|riccho: he might have tried to endplay N with @sA and another|pg|| nt|daman: maybe a push|pg|| nt|daman: or 3 IMPs to NS|pg|| nt|ntmon: agree|pg|| mb|2D|an| |nt|brolucius: A question of RKCB when the spade fit comes to light.|pg|| nt|ntmon: jassem lucky on 17 where 5@S went down, so gain for udertricks at both rooms|pg|| nt|jcomyn: push i say|pg|| mb|p|nt|MolvaM: for kibs who ask|pg|| nt|MolvaM: the other table scores are unreachable|pg|| nt|murat: Lavazza should get the comfortable lead|pg|| nt|MolvaM: but lavaza leads by a comfortable margin of approx 30 imps|pg|| nt|daman: I have to leave now see you for the next session and thanks|pg|| mb|4S|nt|peachy: Thank you kibitzers, ope you enjoyed. And thank you for your active participation with comments and questions, we are all here ONLy for you.|pg|| mb|p|nt|ralfwil: 4@c from me as W|pg|| nt|Walddk3: So Zimmermann by 6 in a minute|pg|| nt|pelu: sory a solid win for Lawazza - my calculations (:)) 37-1|pg|| nt|chmitty: ty Raija :)@h|pg|| mb|p|nt|Walddk3: Multon won the diamond at trick 2 and paused for a while before he played another spade|pg|| mb|p|nt|brolucius: E/W fighting bravely, but hard to imagine that it will be successfully.|pg|| nt|MolvaM: that looked like broadcasting a football match on radio :)|pg|| nt|ntmon: 2@D must have promised @S|pg|| pc|cA|nt|pelu: a very normal way to bid on Ns hand|pg|| nt|paulg: I played Mahaffey on vugraph in last year's Rosenblum ... luckily Meckwell were in Nickell's team on that occasion|pg|| pc|c8|nt|brolucius: All good pairs will know what to do after intervention over 4NT (in theory....)|pg|| nt|Walddk3: The Vriend team on their way to the final; 32-9 after a slam swing on board 23, like here|pg|| nt|peachy: Last hand now, thanks to our operator Michal for a great job! Also thanks to EBL for getting these great matches shown on BBO.|pg|| nt|peachy: Also thanks to our opearor for a great job!|pg|| pc|cT|nt|chmitty: it was a reasonnable 6@c slam here but that will be for another day :) SO enjoy your evening (day) and see you tomorrow|pg|| pc|c9|pg|| nt|murat: :)|pg|| nt|pelu: same contract in OR|pg|| nt|jcomyn: and will gain on 18 as well - odd|pg|| pc|h8|nt|pelu: 10 tricks|pg|| nt|MolvaM: the open event at this stage consists of short matches of 10 boards|pg|| nt|MolvaM: so this is the last hand of the segment|pg|| nt|peachy: Kibitzers, you are the life of this party, appreciate all your comments and questions!|pg|| pc|h2|nt|paulg: I think 1NT as semi-forcing is quite popular, where North might pass 1NT?|pg|| nt|riccho: some work here for decl to deny 6 defensive tricks here|pg|| nt|ntmon: nice lead by Martens|pg|| pc|hA|nt|jcomyn: hate that bidding - cant find a 4-4 s fit|pg|| nt|ntmon: would be a nice lead against 4@S if reached|pg|| nt|ntmon: another odd gain on 20 - on missinng the right contract?|pg|| nt|jcomyn: the world-wide disease - find some level of nt as soon as possible|pg|| pc|h4|pg|| nt|Walddk3: The official site has a score of 30-27 in this match. Not easy to know what to believe|pg|| nt|brolucius: Cronier may fear a diamond ruff in 6@S, because he has offered the lower-scoring slam with excellent spade support.|pg|| nt|MolvaM: many thanks to our commentators peter lund, and murat anter|pg|| nt|MolvaM: and our operator michal |pg|| pc|dA|pc|dT|pc|d3|nt|MolvaM: and our kibitzers|pg|| pc|d2|pg|| nt|murat: my pleasure. thx everyone|pg|| nt|MolvaM: the next segment starts soon|pg|| nt|peachy: Round 3 scores http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/orrrunda3.html|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dK|nt|Walddk3: I trust our operators until proven wrong|pg|| nt|peachy: And to Pierre Schmidt and all commentators for volunteering their time and expertise.|pg|| pc|d9|nt|bigtrain: meckwell play semi-forcing... generally speaking meck passes all 5332s while eric bids on with 5332 maxs|pg|| pc|d6|pg|| nt|granguru: 1@D 1@H (2@S) 2N 4@D(RKCB) 4@H(3) 4@S(Q ask) 4N (noQ)5@C(cab) 5@H(2nd round) 7@D|pg|| mc|10|nt|ntmon: a replacement for "Wilkosz" convention which is banned by WBF|pg|| nt|ntmon: thx to all - let's move to OR for the rest|pg|| pg||