vg|A EC 2011 Mixed Teams Round Robin,5_5,I,11,20,Birman,0,Hansen,0| rs|5DN-1,4SWx-1,6HS=,6HS=,3SS+2,4SS+1,3SS+1,4SS=,3DW+2,2DW+3,4DS=,5DS-1,4HN-1,1NE-2,3NEx-2,3DW=,3NW-2,2NW=,3NN-4,5DWx-3| pn|Birman Dan,CappellerJ,Birman Dav,CappellerG,Schreckenb,Szymanowsk,Babsch,Sobolewska|pg|| qx|o11|st||md|1ST82HKQT42D972CQ6,SAQ97HJ95DQCAT842,SK5HA83DAJT6543C3,SJ643H76DK8CKJ975|sv|o|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: yes, an EBL rule|pg|| mb|1C|nt|Walddk2: strange as it my sound|pg|| nt|Walddk2: *may|pg|| nt|Walddk2: There is no logic in my view. Why don't let them sit where they want?|pg|| mb|1D|nt|ady: n/s have a game in 4@H|pg|| mb|1S|nt|cicus: 4@S save against 4@H is the par contract here|pg|| nt|ady: 4@S a good save for e/w|pg|| mb|2D|mb|2S|nt|cicus: hmm, are they going to find their @Hs now?|pg|| nt|ady: hearts seem lost |pg|| mb|3N|nt|cicus: S might have doubled to show @Hs|pg|| mb|4C|nt|ady: 3NT gambling on club stop from south plus diamonds running|pg|| nt|cicus: quite a big gamble|pg|| mb|p|nt|cicus: based on the misinformation that S gave|pg|| mb|4S|nt|ady: north likely to go 4@D|pg|| nt|ady: cant now|pg|| mb|5D|mb|p|nt|ady: no one quite sure of who can make what|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|s5|pg|| nt|cicus: no way to let this slip through|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|pc|c5|pc|c6|pg|| pc|c4|pc|d4|pc|c7|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h6|pc|hK|nt|ady: was predictable that north would not sit for 4@S|pg|| pc|h5|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pc|d8|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c11|st||md|1ST82HKQT42D972CQ6,SAQ97HJ95DQCAT842,SK5HA83DAJT6543C3,SJ643H76DK8CKJ975|sv|o|nt|Walddk4: N-S from Austria, E-W from Poland in a combined Israel/Poland team|pg|| nt|roswolf: hi all|pg|| nt|Walddk4: Welcome back Geoffrey and Peter|pg|| mb|p|nt|jcomyn: hi all|pg|| mb|2C|nt|santyclz: Hi John, all.|pg|| nt|jcomyn: some sort of tartan from N?|pg|| mb|2D|nt|kastan88: Good mornig and welcome to 5th European Open Bridge Championships!|pg|| nt|santyclz: Showing a weak 2 strength 5/4 @hs and another?|pg|| nt|roswolf: this will be feisty|pg|| mb|d|nt|kastan88: welcome to 5th European Open Bridge Championships!|pg|| nt|kastan88: Today we broadcast Mixed Teams. 89 teams are divided in groups of 6 and play a complete Round-robin of 10 boards.|pg|| mb|2H|nt|jcomyn: have to try 3s and then 3nt|pg|| nt|jcomyn: but what about the d suit|pg|| mb|2S|nt|kastan88: Today we broadcast Mixed Teams. 89 teams are divided in groups of 6 and play a complete Round-robin of 10 boards.|pg|| mb|3H|mb|4S|nt|jcomyn: wheres this going|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|vugraphzhe: Welcome back all|pg|| nt|roswolf: finis?|pg|| nt|roswolf: 5@D|pg|| nt|roswolf: IS POSSIBLE|pg|| mb|d|nt|santyclz: 4@h is unexpected.|pg|| nt|jcomyn: well its a good contract|pg|| nt|santyclz: Sounds to me like a demand to bid a @c slam if w has a @d control, though.|pg|| nt|jcomyn: well should be put off by N opening|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: Welcome to Oosman Bashir|pg|| nt|oosb: Hi Everyone|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Good afternoon to Paul Gipson|pg|| nt|kastan88: 2nd round live scores here: http://r.poznan2011.pl/mxt/rrleaderb.html|pg|| nt|santyclz: Kibs point out that since 3@C was non-forcing, my take on the auction was faulty.|pg|| mb|p|nt|vugraphzhe: 2nd/4th switches from NS|pg|| nt|santyclz: I agree.|pg|| pc|hA|nt|pelu: fight on the 4-5 level - but only fight for 50'es - 4@S -1 or 5@d -1|pg|| nt|roswolf: this double is dangerous but it will produce -1|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h2|nt|paulg: hi everyone|pg|| nt|oosb: Hi Paul, lets dive straight in :)|pg|| nt|oosb: Seems like declarer will lose another @H, @S and @D for 3@H =|pg|| pc|h5|pg|| nt|kastan88: EW having 4@S, I think East just underbid her hand|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h7|pc|hQ|nt|oosb: but not straight forward|pg|| pc|h9|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dQ|pc|dA|nt|oosb: since now he'll lose control|pg|| pc|d8|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dK|pc|d7|nt|oosb: whoops|pg|| pc|c2|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|sQ|pc|sK|pg|| pc|c3|nt|paulg: i don't if their Bermuda Bowl team has been selected yet, but I know that the Dutch have been analysing the performance of their top pairs|pg|| nt|vugraphzhe: The team is not selected yet, will be after Poznan (open europeans)|pg|| nt|oosb: I did see some practice matches on vugraph earlier this month|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|s8|pg|| nt|santyclz: In the closed room n eschewed the "obvious" 2@h bid and e-w bid to a tame 3nt.|pg|| nt|pelu: Birman need a big win here: Standing: Last A 80, Goldcat 67, Russia 63, Birman 53, Bilski 49, Hansen 45 - The first 3 team go in A-swiss|pg|| pc|s9|pc|d3|pc|sJ|pc|sT|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o12|st||md|2SA43HKJT5DT94CA87,SQ9H874DK87652C54,ST765HAQ93DACKQJ9,SKJ82H62DQJ3CT632|sv|n|nt|cicus: slam zone|pg|| nt|cicus: 6@H is a make I think|pg|| mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|nt|ady: need 2 diamond ruffs for 12 tricks|pg|| nt|cicus: with 2 @D ruffs arranged and a @S loser going on @Cs|pg|| mb|3D!|mb|p|nt|ady: may be difficult to reach 6|pg|| nt|cicus: S will like this minisplinter|pg|| mb|3S!|mb|p|nt|ady: yes that certainly helps 2 outside aces and decent trumps with south|pg|| nt|cicus: the question is how much strength can he expect N to have|pg|| mb|4H|mb|p|mb|4N|nt|Walddk2: she, it's a mixed event :)|pg|| nt|cicus: all N's face cards are working and needed|pg|| mb|p|mb|5S|nt|cicus: oh yes, seh|pg|| mb|p|nt|ady: commited now|pg|| nt|cicus: she|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Daniela|pg|| mb|6H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ady: had north a 5th club then 7 would have been good|pg|| nt|cicus: even on a spade lead declarer has enough entries to ruff 2 @Ds|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cK|pc|c2|pc|c8|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d4|pc|d7|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h2|pc|hT|pc|h8|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d2|pc|h9|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h6|pc|h5|pc|h4|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c3|pc|cA|pc|c5|pg|| nt|ady: w|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dK|pc|hQ|pc|dQ|pg|| nt|cicus: this was risky|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|s9|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h7|pc|s6|pc|c6|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|c12|st||md|2SA43HKJT5DT94CA87,SQ9H874DK87652C54,ST765HAQ93DACKQJ9,SKJ82H62DQJ3CT632|sv|n|nt|paulg: so both these pairs under some pressure then, mistakes will all be highly visible|pg|| nt|kastan88: But seems names of teams and players not touching here :)|pg|| nt|jcomyn: hi all|pg|| nt|roswolf: i would be tempted to preempt in @D HERE|pg|| mb|p|nt|oosb: some sort of weak opening from East, 2@D multi?|pg|| nt|jcomyn: wowie what happens here should be some fun|pg|| mb|1C|nt|oosb: ah, 3@H|pg|| nt|kastan88: If players mnames right, then teams must be: Bailey vs Hauge (group E)|pg|| mb|p|nt|jcomyn: nice game if they get there|pg|| mb|1H|nt|paulg: i like 3@h with 6-4|pg|| mb|2D|nt|vugraphpl5: yes, teams names are wrong|pg|| nt|santyclz: For those new to BBO: Hover your mouse over the other room score to show a pop-up of the bidding there.|pg|| nt|roswolf: with a weak 2 if i had it in my armoury|pg|| mb|4H|nt|vugraphzhe: they can't open weak on 2lvl in @H|pg|| nt|vugraphpl5: but now is hard to change|pg|| mb|p|nt|roswolf: effective biidding by north|pg|| mb|5H|nt|paulg: that's an interesting constraint, I only know of Fantoni-Nunes who also do that|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Dutch experts believe that two of the pairs are virtually selected, Drijver-Brink and Muller-de Wijs, and that the third pair will be selected among v Prooijen-Verhees, ...|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Jansma-Paulissen and Bertens-Westra. But nothing will be official until early July|pg|| nt|oosb: Lead will help declarer |pg|| nt|vugraphzhe: Standings after 8 of 11 rounds: 1: Drijver-Brink +56,7 2nd Jansma-Paulissen 20,4 3rd Schollaardt wortel +18,1 4th Westra-Bertens +12,5 5th Bakkeren-Bakkeren +4,1|pg|| nt|jcomyn: double in the open room is crazy|pg|| mb|p|nt|roswolf: whoops an optimistic raise|pg|| mb|6H|nt|pelu: 6@H in OR - = 6@h-tricks (2 @D-ruffs) + 6 toptricks = 1430|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kastan88: and of course my good friend from Tallinn festival Erik "Silla" Saelensminde is sittin on 2 chairs :) |pg|| nt|roswolf: well may be a push then|pg|| nt|roswolf: i assume 1@C WAS STROMG|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|paulg: I do not envy the selectors, tough choices|pg|| nt|pelu: @C-lead in Open|pg|| nt|roswolf: the hands fit very nicely|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s2|pc|sA|pg|| nt|Walddk1: Welcome to Jon Sveindal|pg|| nt|Walddk1: Who is Silla's partner, Jon?|pg|| pc|d4|nt|oosb: nothing fancy required now, can just draw trumps and lose 2@S|pg|| nt|oosb: wouldve been interesting on perhaps a @h lead|pg|| nt|Walddk1: Operator has split him into two :)|pg|| nt|jbgood: Ann Karin Fuglestad - i think|pg|| nt|eamongall: hello Jaak|pg|| nt|kastan88: Hauge win 1st round 25:2 team banzai and leader in group, Bayley got 10 VP against Gewanna |pg|| nt|kastan88: Hei, Jon and Eamonn|pg|| nt|Walddk1: OK operator, East is Fuglestad|pg|| nt|Walddk1: pls delete Erik|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dA|nt|kastan88: Good mornig and welcome to 5th European Open Bridge Championships!|pg|| nt|eamongall: roland said you were alone but he sent Jon too :0|pg|| nt|jbgood: any bridge players dream - to have yoruself at the other side of the screen:)|pg|| pc|d3|pg|| nt|roswolf: careful timing|pg|| nt|roswolf: needs|pg|| nt|pelu: did the @S-lead kill 6@H?|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c2|nt|Walddk2: Welcome to Jeroen van de Pol|pg|| nt|kastan88: let's party then :)|pg|| pc|cA|nt|Walddk1: Women are always East and South|pg|| pc|c4|pg|| nt|jpmbs: Hi All|pg|| nt|oosb: Hoi|pg|| nt|pelu: no|pg|| nt|roswolf: no can be made but needs to time his plays carefully|pg|| pc|d9|nt|kastan88: Today we broadcast Mixed Teams. 89 teams are divided in groups of 6 and play a complete Round-robin of 10 boards.|pg|| pc|d5|nt|roswolf: ruff a diamond|pg|| pc|h3|pc|dJ|pg|| nt|roswolf: trump back to hand|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h2|pc|hT|pc|h4|pg|| nt|roswolf: trump diamond draw trump and claim|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d6|pc|hA|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h6|pc|hK|pc|h7|pg|| nt|vugraphpl5: sorry for mistake, everything is ok now|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h8|pc|s6|pc|c3|pg|| nt|roswolf: a push|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|o13|st||md|3SAJT75HQDTCKQJ952,S3HAJ932DAKJ85CT8,SKQ98H85DQ973CA74,S642HKT764D642C63|sv|b|nt|cicus: although sooner or later she had to decide if @Hs break or @C won't be ruffed|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ady: nice easy game in spades for n/s|pg|| mb|1C|mb|1H|mb|d!|mb|2H|nt|cicus: 5@H a good save|pg|| nt|ady: 5@H down 2 as a sac foe e/w though n/s have 11 tricks in spades|pg|| mb|2S|mb|3D|mb|3H|mb|p|nt|ady: 2@S conservative with that shape|pg|| mb|3S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dK|pc|d3|pc|d6|pc|dT|pg|| nt|ady: n/s should lose imps here south underbidding|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h5|pc|h6|pc|hQ|pg|| nt|cicus: hmm, instead of 2@S I would have bid 4|pg|| mc|11|nt|cicus: then why she subsided in 3@S I can't understand |pg|| pg|| qx|c13|st||md|3SAJT75HQDTCKQJ952,S3HAJ932DAKJ85CT8,SKQ98H85DQ973CA74,S642HKT764D642C63|sv|b|nt|kastan88: Team Helness/Brogeland from Norway versus Comhar team from Ireland|pg|| nt|kastan88: I have not got to play against Erik "Silla" this year, but year ago had some chances to direct at table, if he called TD, that's why i am saying "good friend"|pg|| nt|santyclz: Ummm, are you sure of that score, operator?|pg|| mb|1D|nt|roswolf: 41S looks easy to reach but not so easy in the other room|pg|| mb|p|nt|jpmbs: I think Drijver-Brink are favorites, other 2 pairs will be exciting|pg|| nt|eamongall: what happens after round robin .. is it two swisses with 27 and 5 qualifying |pg|| nt|pelu: NS missed the game in OR - very passiv bidding by S|pg|| mb|2C|nt|kastan88: and at once slam time|pg|| mb|2H|nt|kastan88: yes, I read somehow, that 3 best teams from each group going to Swiss A|pg|| nt|kastan88: others Swiss B|pg|| nt|jcomyn: i see Illan Herbst is playing in both rooms or is there another Herbst|pg|| mb|p|mb|3H|mb|3S|nt|santyclz: Must be 1 talented fellow...|pg|| mb|p|mb|4S|nt|jcomyn: apparently he is not Boyle-Roches bird. He is not in the other room ack isd|pg|| nt|roswolf: why didnt south bid spades?|pg|| mb|p|nt|kastan88: 13 tricks from top in NT, @H and @C for NS, but can they find that?|pg|| nt|jcomyn: pushy this time|pg|| mb|p|nt|jcomyn: hard to find s lead though|pg|| mb|p|nt|roswolf: on the first round?|pg|| pc|dA|nt|kastan88: and I have not players CC's under my hand.|pg|| pc|d3|nt|eamongall: Good morning from my kitchen in Dublin Ireland |pg|| pc|d6|pc|dT|pg|| nt|oosb: +3 seems to be a very good score, guessed @H or picked up K10@S? |pg|| nt|oosb: Ah, @h lead :)|pg|| nt|santyclz: No quantum tunnelling going on?|pg|| nt|roswolf: well an easy game swing fpr hansen|pg|| nt|pelu: with 6-5 and GF normal to bid the 6 card suit first|pg|| pc|hA|nt|kastan88: Hi Eamon, godness, you help me wuth that Irish bidding may be|pg|| nt|eamongall: yes|pg|| nt|kastan88: just 13 tricks from top, somehow they didn't find grand|pg|| nt|eamongall: 2@Cs in this case is probably 21-22 ... 2@Cs often shows major minor hands weak .. Muiderberg I thnik |pg|| nt|jcomyn: now i am told there are two herbsts|pg|| pc|h5|nt|mcsd: k|pg|| nt|Walddk5: Welcome to Miroslav|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hQ|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o14|st||md|4SAJ9875H6DA2CAQ94,SK3HAT9532DJ97C52,ST42HQ4DT863CKT83,SQ6HKJ87DKQ54CJ76|sv|o|nt|ady: another 4@S for n/s|pg|| nt|cicus: and vulnaerable to boot|pg|| nt|ady: again a save in 5@H for e/w|pg|| mb|1N!|an|11-14|nt|cicus: will they need to save?|pg|| mb|2D!|nt|cicus: if S starts with a X they may bid the game|pg|| mb|2H!|an|to play|nt|ady: not that easy this time for n/s to get to game|pg|| nt|cicus: 2@D presumably a long major|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ady: north weakish so south would have to push |pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|3H|nt|ady: east may have done better not to compete|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|nt|cicus: well, S did not let herself be deterred from missed game|pg|| mb|3S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ady: missed game on hand 3 cost Israel 10 imps|pg|| pc|hA|nt|ady: this one might not be as costly|pg|| nt|cicus: this will be cheaper, maybe not even cost|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h8|pc|h6|pg|| nt|cicus: although missed opportunities also count|pg|| nt|ady: 6@H slam on hand 2 flat|pg|| pc|c2|nt|cicus: that's a big result for both teams|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cJ|pc|cA|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|s6|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sK|pc|s4|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|d9|mc|10|pg|| qx|c14|st||md|4SAJ9875H6DA2CAQ94,SK3HAT9532DJ97C52,ST42HQ4DT863CKT83,SQ6HKJ87DKQ54CJ76|sv|o|nt|kastan88: Norway runs faster, Jon|pg|| nt|mcsd: And she s born in Serbia.|pg|| nt|jcomyn: and she is off to a flying start|pg|| nt|jcomyn: 6d is interesting|pg|| mb|1C|nt|kastan88: now that corrected|pg|| nt|vugraphpl5: thanks!|pg|| mb|d|mb|1D|nt|jcomyn: what major do you think w has|pg|| nt|santyclz: N and s both think they know which...|pg|| nt|jcomyn: 4H now since w has spades - or has he|pg|| nt|pelu: NS in 3@s in OR|pg|| mb|p|nt|oosb: 4@H seems to be a very good contract looking at EW hands, but Major finesses off AND 2@C losers|pg|| nt|eamongall: de Raeymaeker has been playing bridge in Ireland since I started in my mid 20s ... in mid 80s .. he is about 45 |pg|| nt|Walddk1: This is actually Hauge vs Bailey|pg|| mb|2H|nt|oosb: 3NT also doomed on @D lead|pg|| nt|Walddk1: The team names are from a different match, our match C|pg|| nt|jcomyn: what else would he do|pg|| mb|2S|nt|kastan88: hi Joanna and powodzenia! (good luck!)|pg|| nt|eamongall: 4@s suffers from a lack of 4 key cards as does 5@S |pg|| nt|jbgood: now an x|pg|| mb|2N|nt|jcomyn: thats what happens when you x with a singleton major|pg|| nt|santyclz: Correction or q bid?|pg|| nt|jcomyn: correction - she do|pg|| nt|pelu: 1@D = @H, and 2@H = 4 card @H and 12-14 balanced|pg|| nt|roswolf: again i cant see why 4@S SHOULDNT be bid|pg|| mb|3S|mb|p|nt|paulg: doesn't it need a club lead to break 4@h?|pg|| nt|eamongall: welcome Joanna ...I looked on Facebook for the spelling |pg|| nt|jcomyn: frying pan into what fire|pg|| nt|pelu: tx Jakub|pg|| mb|4S|nt|kastan88: doubling and curtains, I would not bid 5@S more after 2@H overcall|pg|| nt|eamongall: Helgemo and popova have driven board 13 to 3Nt with Helgem at the helm |pg|| nt|jcomyn: assumptions is dangerous things|pg|| nt|jcomyn: where the heck are we going|pg|| mb|p|nt|oosb: perhaps an endplay is possible here though|pg|| nt|jpmbs: do not thk this makes|pg|| nt|eamongall: lets see if I can find a convention card for these NS |pg|| nt|vugraphpl5: welcome everyone!|pg|| nt|kastan88: seems, that they playing some transfer responses after 1@C?|pg|| nt|eamongall: but he is suffering from a lack of @Ds |pg|| nt|santyclz: Again the open room failed to provide the drama...|pg|| nt|jcomyn: we aree the lucky ones and we aint finished yet|pg|| mb|p|nt|jbgood: EW were already at an uncomfortable level - and the old saying that the 5 level belongs to the opps is still valid from time to time|pg|| mb|p|nt|roswolf: well done|pg|| nt|pelu: in this board N in OR was "the chiken"|pg|| pc|hA|nt|paulg: no, even if you guessed the spades the defence has time to remove dummy's entry|pg|| nt|jpmbs: he will just try the finesses|pg|| nt|oosb: well the 1@D bid does suggest where the Kings are|pg|| nt|paulg: not many entries to the East hand|pg|| nt|oosb: Strip A@D in any case|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h7|nt|mcsd: N lead woul not be my choice.|pg|| nt|jcomyn: well it might have been worse - or better in 5d as the case may be|pg|| pc|h6|pg|| nt|roswolf: yes his bidding was uncharacteristically damp|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hQ|nt|jpmbs: he just play for AofC onside|pg|| nt|oosb: I guess he played for A@C with N|pg|| nt|oosb: or K@S with S|pg|| pc|hK|nt|mcsd: I would lead @d.|pg|| pc|s5|pg|| nt|mcsd: T lead from singleton are usually bad an should be avoided|pg|| nt|mcsd: when yoyu hold 4 trumps, it is usually good to forse dweckarer to ruff|pg|| pc|sA|nt|oosb: can make now|pg|| nt|eamongall: I don't think it is possible to change the names without restarting vugraph :(|pg|| pc|s3|nt|eamongall: Yes for certain transfers at one level Jaak but I don't know it all|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s6|pg|| pc|s7|nt|jbgood: Helgemo was in 3 NT on the previous one, didnt manage the clubs and went one down|pg|| nt|mcsd: that is what is jovanka doing|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s4|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|d9|nt|vugraphpl5: you right, it isn't possible|pg|| nt|roswolf: claim|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dK|pc|dA|pg|| nt|vugraphzhe: small break due to fast play here|pg|| nt|oosb: Ok|pg|| nt|oosb: I'll brb too|pg|| nt|kareno: Morning :)|pg|| nt|paulg: hi Karen|pg|| nt|santyclz: And a trump promotion on the way back, to add insult to unjury.|pg|| nt|jcomyn: can imagine the ensuing conversation|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c2|nt|eamongall: playing in 4@S no double in other room|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c6|pg|| pc|d2|nt|pelu: when S see 2@Ds in W then West cant have 4@cs, so easy win|pg|| nt|roswolf: yup|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d8|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c4|pc|c5|nt|jcomyn: dont understand the play |pg|| pc|c8|pg|| mc|10|nt|jcomyn: why ruff the d when you can ditch a h|pg|| nt|jcomyn: starting with U crazy partner|pg|| pg|| qx|o15|st||md|1S432HAJ97DJT6CK53,S5HK84DAK943CA986,SKQJ8HQ63D2CQJT74,SAT976HT52DQ875C2|sv|n|nt|cicus: EW can make 5@D here|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|cicus: hmm, not sure|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|3D|nt|cicus: but maybe a total crossruff will do the job|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sK|nt|ady: trump lead makes 11 tricks awkward in diamonds|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|s5|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s3|pc|d3|pc|s8|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c4|pc|c2|pc|c5|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c7|pc|d5|pc|c3|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s2|nt|cicus: CR bid 4@S in previous bd as well|pg|| pc|d4|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cT|pc|d7|pc|cK|pg|| pc|s9|pc|dT|nt|ady: bidding their games well in CR|pg|| pc|dK|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cJ|pc|d8|pc|dJ|pg|| nt|cicus: funny, a trump trick to no avail|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d9|pc|d2|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|sT|pc|h7|pc|h4|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hA|pc|h8|pc|h3|pg|| pc|h9|pc|hK|pc|h6|pc|h5|pg|| pc|dA|pc|hQ|pc|hT|pc|hJ|pg|| pg|| qx|c15|st||md|1S432HAJ97DJT6CK53,S5HK84DAK943CA986,SKQJ8HQ63D2CQJT74,SAT976HT52DQ875C2|sv|n|nt|jbgood: interesting hand for 3 NT by S now|pg|| nt|mcsd: yes a bad result|pg|| nt|santyclz: Top players (other than Ira Rubin) wouldn't say a word...|pg|| nt|jcomyn: and I'm sure \\\\\\\\s is a real lady|pg|| mb|p|nt|kastan88: again was slammish board for play from North hand, but this time quite poor slam, @SA had to be right and clubs 22 or singleton Q falling (previous hand)|pg|| nt|jcomyn: stay low|pg|| mb|1D|nt|jcomyn: S|pg|| nt|pelu: Birman need to win 20+ to have a chance for A-swiss - now prob both teams in B|pg|| mb|p|nt|paulg: Looking at the last hand I cannot see much difference in the lines of play available|pg|| nt|paulg: interesting problem not for West|pg|| nt|santyclz: 4 boards, 23 imps. About meeting the modern standard of 5 imps/bd.|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|nt|eamongall: @Ss is frozen suit |pg|| nt|jbgood: easy 3 NT on a heart lead|pg|| nt|eamongall: whoever plays @S first loses |pg|| nt|mcsd: best action for s is to pass|pg|| nt|roswolf: yes they are cutting each other's throats|pg|| mb|2C|nt|oosb: Back|pg|| nt|jcomyn: minor partscore |pg|| mb|p|nt|jpmbs: wow. Did he really X and not overcall|pg|| nt|paulg: West knows that 3@h is probably coming and would 4@c then be natural?|pg|| nt|eamongall: oh no sorry NS can finesse 10 |pg|| nt|jbgood: that much for 3 NT|pg|| nt|eamongall: don't worry maybe in the other room 3NT will be possible |pg|| mb|2D|nt|kastan88: slam time continues|pg|| mb|p|nt|jcomyn: minor fits dont exist anymore|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|jbgood: needed a singleton lead... to beat it|pg|| nt|jcomyn: with the opening bid on my left i dont bid again as w|pg|| nt|pelu: from A-swiss 27 teams to knockout - from B only 5 teams|pg|| pc|sK|nt|jcomyn: didnt think anyone at this level plays weak NT vul|pg|| pc|sA|nt|paulg: i would have expected a stronger hand from East, not that West would care|pg|| nt|mcsd: other lead option was a @d|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s5|pg|| nt|jbgood: not easy given the bidding|pg|| pc|c2|nt|paulg: still, no double no trouble|pg|| pc|c3|nt|mcsd: Hard choice, s was endplayed onlead|pg|| pc|cA|nt|kastan88: 2@C seemed to be checkback, 2@D I suppose no 3@H and now support with Hx I suppose (have not CC)|pg|| nt|eamongall: 3NT in the Open room |pg|| pc|c4|pg|| nt|jpmbs: he finds KofD onsite but no TofH dropping :-)|pg|| nt|santyclz: No Fear!|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c7|nt|oosb: Can make now|pg|| pc|d5|pc|c5|pg|| nt|santyclz: (tm)|pg|| pc|s6|nt|jpmbs: aha 3D with the trumps|pg|| nt|kastan88: but still that is not good slam, as hearts must be devided 33|pg|| pc|s3|pc|d3|nt|oosb: 3@D with long @H|pg|| nt|jbgood: and Popova will win it|pg|| pc|s8|pg|| nt|jpmbs: he will|pg|| nt|jcomyn: would you even think of opening nt on that rubbish Joe|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cT|pc|d7|pc|cK|pg|| nt|santyclz: Yes. I'm an old Kaplan-Sheinwold player and have no problem with it untill the scoring comes about.|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hA|pc|h4|nt|mcsd: k@D if 9@d can get to N hand, but e has 2@D|pg|| pc|h3|pg|| nt|jcomyn: and the NPC screams at you - how did you manage a four-figure penalty|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d4|pc|d2|pc|d8|pg|| nt|santyclz: That would induce some doubts, I admit.|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h7|nt|eamongall: yes a @H lead was a good start in Open Room for Popova |pg|| pc|hK|pc|h6|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cJ|pc|dQ|pc|s4|pg|| pc|s7|nt|pelu: when u can overruff dummy - why play the small @D??|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dK|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|dA|pc|cQ|pc|s9|pc|dJ|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o16|st||md|2SJ9H932DAKQT943C6,SAK5HAK876D2CQ872,SQT743HTD86CAKT93,S862HQJ54DJ75CJ54|sv|e|mb|1H|nt|cicus: this might go high|pg|| mb|2H!|mb|p|nt|cicus: although neither side has game|pg|| nt|ady: part score likely |pg|| nt|cicus: I wonder if 2@H shows @Cs|pg|| nt|cicus: besides @Ss I mean|pg|| mb|2N|nt|ady: usually spades and a minor |pg|| nt|ady: 2NT asks for minor|pg|| mb|3C|mb|d|mb|3H|nt|cicus: now S is surely going to bid 3@D over 3@C, is it forcing?|pg|| nt|ady: south in my view should just bid diamonds which should express own good suit|pg|| nt|cicus: ah, EW got active|pg|| nt|ady: 9 tricks around the limit both ways|pg|| mb|4D|mb|p|nt|cicus: S cannot but bid 4@D now|pg|| nt|cicus: N going to raise|pg|| nt|ady: trump lead best for e/w if south plays in diamonds|pg|| nt|cicus: I could not pass now as N, I admit|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|hK|pc|hT|pc|h4|pc|h3|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s3|pc|s8|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|s2|pc|s9|pg|| pc|c2|nt|ady: 10 tricks |pg|| pc|cA|pc|c5|pc|c6|pg|| pc|d6|pc|d5|pc|dA|pc|d2|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h6|pc|d8|pc|hJ|pg|| nt|cicus: very well done by David Birman, the more so after all those missed games|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c4|nt|ady: a small swing back|pg|| pc|h9|pc|c7|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cJ|pc|d3|pc|c8|pg|| pc|dK|mc|10|nt|ady: an initial trump lead could break 4@D if east wins the first heart and plays a 2nd trump|pg|| pg|| qx|c16|st||md|2SJ9H932DAKQT943C6,SAK5HAK876D2CQ872,SQT743HTD86CAKT93,S862HQJ54DJ75CJ54|sv|e|nt|kastan88: happy result for NS this time|pg|| nt|eamongall: So the Hauge team in disguise (Lavazza) will gather some more imps |pg|| nt|jbgood: most likely|pg|| nt|jcomyn: i was away once wioth a player who did go for 1100 and and asked what happened, he said "They misdefended, I should have gone for 1400|pg|| nt|roswolf: more distribution|pg|| mb|1H|mb|1S|nt|oosb: East is Bob Drijver north is Bas |pg|| nt|Walddk1: And the wrong teams in the wrong rooms you can blame on the players who managed to go to the D table instead of C, and vice versa. Tough with the complicated alphabet we have|pg|| nt|roswolf: partscores only score here|pg|| mb|3H|nt|petergill: 2@H = 6+ spades, an increasingly common treatment, of dubious merit|pg|| nt|jcomyn: and i am not making that up|pg|| nt|pelu: 9-10 tricks NS in @D, 8-9 tricks EW in @H|pg|| nt|roswolf: south has a problem|pg|| nt|pelu: yes :)|pg|| nt|roswolf: but 4@D seems ok|pg|| mb|5D|nt|paulg: quite difficult for North to defend, unless South's @h3 was a clue|pg|| nt|oosb: 3NT EW?|pg|| nt|pelu: why not 2@H by N = 5-5 in @s + minor?|pg|| nt|roswolf: might goad west into 4@H|pg|| mb|p|nt|roswolf: hmm 5@D TOO MUCH|pg|| mb|p|nt|kastan88: The teams are assigned to the different groups by the Championship Committee (based on the WBF/EBL masterpoints of the top four members of each team), to seek an equal and ...|pg|| nt|kastan88: well-balanced subdivision of the groups and taking into account, whenever possible, that teams from the same NBO do not play each other. |pg|| nt|santyclz: Well, you asked...|pg|| mb|p|nt|kastan88: Today we broadcast Mixed Teams. 89 teams are divided in groups of 6 and play a complete Round-robin of 10 boards.|pg|| nt|petergill: 4@H is -100 if undoubled|pg|| nt|petergill: 4@S is not hopeless if the defence errs|pg|| nt|jbgood: ont think anyone can double 4@h|pg|| nt|roswolf: well no double no trouble|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s3|nt|kastan88: Official website http://www.poznan2011.pl/|pg|| nt|jbgood: *dont|pg|| nt|petergill: or 4@H might be -150 if undoubled|pg|| nt|jcomyn: not me the NPC|pg|| pc|s8|nt|paulg: i guess North's pass of 3@h suggested leading the suit|pg|| pc|s9|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s4|nt|paulg: or perhaps not|pg|| nt|petergill: To bid or not to bid? @DK lead beats 4@s easily, but on a low heart lead to 4@S ...|pg|| nt|jcomyn: easy contract but good bidding|pg|| pc|s6|nt|eamongall: 3@S in Open room |pg|| pc|sJ|pg|| nt|jcomyn: this is what is known as a ropey contract|pg|| nt|jcomyn: just look at all the little cards|pg|| nt|santyclz: Not a terribly unexpected one though with 14 in primes opposite 11.|pg|| nt|jcomyn: i suppose we have all been in worse contracts|pg|| pc|hA|pc|hT|pc|hQ|nt|oosb: can make +4 now|pg|| pc|h2|pg|| pc|c7|nt|oosb: and does|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c4|nt|eamongall: they might need to get the @Ds unblocked now |pg|| nt|eamongall: or curtains and more imps |pg|| nt|jbgood: as predicted Popova won 3 NT - with an overtrick even|pg|| nt|petergill: To North, @C8 is the lowest missing pip so might be suit pref for @D switch|pg|| pc|c6|pg|| nt|eamongall: should be 10 tricks here |pg|| pc|d6|nt|eamongall: was highly unlikely the @DK was getting played |pg|| pc|d5|nt|mcsd: nothng speciall in this hand, will make +1|pg|| pc|dA|nt|santyclz: The hands don't mesh well, and things aren't favorable, but the contract is reasonable vul at imps.|pg|| pc|d2|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h6|pc|d8|nt|eamongall: now the ruff will suffice |pg|| pc|h4|pg|| pc|cK|nt|petergill: That's the way to beat it - a low @D would not have done! |pg|| pc|c5|pc|h9|pc|c2|pg|| nt|petergill: I mean a low @d instead of @DA = no good|pg|| nt|eamongall: we all understood Peter |pg|| nt|eamongall: including Bailey South :0|pg|| nt|eamongall: :)|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cJ|pc|d3|pc|c8|pg|| pc|dK|mc|10|pg|| qx|o17|st||md|3S654HAJ98DJ6CAKQ5,ST832H62DQ92CJT32,S97HKT73DA8754C86,SAKQJHQ54DKT3C974|sv|o|nt|cicus: another game possibility for NS|pg|| mb|p|mb|1S|mb|d|nt|cicus: awkward bid for S|pg|| mb|2S!|nt|cicus: ok, double, then what over 2@D?|pg|| mb|3H|mb|p|nt|cicus: nice partners never bid your short suit|pg|| nt|ady: not a great game but may make guessing the Q@H and setting up diamonds or maybe be able to ruff 1 spade and 1 club in north hand|pg|| mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sK|pc|s4|pc|s2|pc|s7|pg|| nt|ady: if defence forces the north hand more likely to get heart right|pg|| nt|cicus: I think it will play itself as EW are obliged to cash their spades|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s5|pc|s3|pc|s9|pg|| nt|cicus: so ruffing the losers will be easier|pg|| pc|c7|pc|cA|pc|c2|pc|c6|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s8|pc|h3|nt|ady: trum lead no good for defence with diamonds behaving so well|pg|| pc|sJ|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dK|pc|d6|pc|d2|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cK|pc|c3|pc|c8|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h2|pc|h7|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c5|pc|cT|pc|hT|pg|| pc|hK|nt|ady: gone wrong on this one|pg|| mc|9|nt|cicus: can't blame him|pg|| pg|| qx|c17|st||md|3S654HAJ98DJ6CAKQ5,ST832H62DQ92CJT32,S97HKT73DA8754C86,SAKQJHQ54DKT3C974|sv|o|nt|Walddk1: http://www.eurobridge.org/competitions/11Poznan/Bulletins/bul01.pdf for today's bulletin. I recommend pages 4 through 7 :)|pg|| nt|petergill: Kirsten and Gavin have played for Australia once, winning the Pacific Asia Seniors Teams for Australia in 2010.|pg|| mb|p|nt|kastan88: can't see where is the site with live-scores, as we have seen usually all broadcasting from Poland|pg|| nt|jcomyn: should be action here and this 6-4 fit will not work well|pg|| mb|1N|nt|paulg: Having established that Brink-Drijver are favourites for the Dutch Bermuda Bowl team, they've had a succession of boards where they will feel that they could have done a little better|pg|| nt|paulg: of course, not having the cards often causes this|pg|| nt|santyclz: 2@h or 2@s?|pg|| nt|santyclz: Or pass?|pg|| mb|p|nt|santyclz: If there is no strong option to their multi...|pg|| mb|p|nt|jcomyn: slam for ew can they bid it|pg|| mb|p|nt|mcsd: 3 nt seems resonable|pg|| nt|santyclz: Poor slam with only 1 redeaming feature -- it makes.|pg|| nt|jcomyn: they have to bid at all here yet|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c2|nt|bobholl: standing after R 9 brink drijv 44 wortel scholl 18 jansma paul 15 |pg|| pc|c6|nt|mcsd: but will it get there|pg|| nt|roswolf: defence should have a field day|pg|| pc|c4|pg|| nt|mcsd: Awkwrd lead forN|pg|| pc|h8|nt|jcomyn: what do you do if p bids 2D|pg|| pc|h2|nt|paulg: at this point the eleven tricks made in the other room looks a long way away|pg|| nt|kastan88: its intersting to see how many pairs found grand slam in 3rd board|pg|| nt|petergill: I think West has to give up now ...|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h4|pg|| nt|petergill: Partner is known to have at least 10 black cards|pg|| nt|pelu: looks like down 1 - but NS can make 9-10 tricks in @h|pg|| pc|h3|nt|paulg: but the diamonds are friendly|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hA|nt|Walddk1: running scores at http://r.poznan2011.pl/mxt/rrleaderb.html|pg|| nt|jbgood: Sælensminde has so far been very diciplined with his hand - but 2 NT may be a bit too much|pg|| pc|h6|pg|| nt|paulg: especially when you want to lose the lead to East|pg|| nt|petergill: 2NT might be (and was) taken for about 10 or 11 points, is quite a dangerous bid in my opinion|pg|| nt|jbgood: E clearly expected him to be better|pg|| nt|eamongall: Saelensmin will need several helping hands to bring this to a plus score |pg|| nt|mcsd: with 7 hcp would try 2n|pg|| nt|jcomyn: why bid at all|pg|| nt|mcsd: have good spot cards|pg|| nt|pelu: sorru down 2|pg|| nt|roswolf: -2 but what you say re hearts is true|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|petergill: 3NT will do not as terribly as it deserves to|pg|| pc|s2|pc|h7|pc|h5|pg|| nt|petergill: especially if declarer picks @D, as he might, on the grounds that AJxx in North cannot be picked up|pg|| nt|pelu: David Birman in 4@h - after underbidding 2-3 times now they bid|pg|| nt|pelu: hard work to win 4@h|pg|| pc|cK|nt|kastan88: ty Roland|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c8|nt|eamongall: bah Roland is everywhere ... I forgot the rest of his name ... Saelensmin.....DE |pg|| pc|c7|pg|| nt|petergill: I was not quite with-it then|pg|| nt|petergill: Erik is how I spell his name|pg|| nt|mcsd: well that is the option but with p 17 hcp may be in game|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cT|nt|kastan88: "Silla" for me|pg|| pc|d4|pc|c9|pg|| nt|jcomyn: one of our very best players always said - Is there game on - NO! then shut up|pg|| pc|h9|nt|eamongall: 3NT will be adding minus 50s to the 2@S made in the other room |pg|| pc|s3|nt|paulg: and now eleven tricks here too|pg|| pc|hT|pc|d3|pg|| nt|vugraphzhe: we are waiting for board 20..|pg|| nt|petergill: West is known from @d10 play to have @D9, so perhaps a duck was best on @DJ|pg|| nt|eamongall: so 160 210 260 |pg|| nt|petergill: getting to 8 tricks now|pg|| nt|roswolf: cash and next|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sA|nt|petergill: but not 9|pg|| pc|s4|nt|Walddk1: Running scores at http://b.poznan2011.pl/mxt/rrrunda2.html|pg|| pc|s8|pg|| pc|dT|nt|petergill: though @C98 does fall|pg|| nt|petergill: so it might make|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pg|| nt|petergill: so perhaps I was wrong about 2NT|pg|| mc|5|nt|petergill: Duck please|pg|| pg|| qx|o18|st||md|4S432H8753D2CK8542,ST85HJDKQJ954CQJT,SAJ96HKQ4DAT63C97,SKQ7HAT962D87CA63|sv|n|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|nt|ady: 3@D around the limit|pg|| mb|2H|mb|p|mb|3D!|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ady: on a very good day will make game|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ady: club lead best especially if declarer does not win with ace|pg|| pc|d2|nt|ady: duck best by North|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d7|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|sK|pc|s4|pc|s5|pg|| pc|d8|pc|s2|nt|cicus: N certainly has @D under control but I don't think he demands a @D lead here|pg|| nt|cicus: with his X|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d3|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c7|pc|c3|pc|cK|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s8|pc|s9|pc|sQ|pg|| nt|cicus: can E go down 2?|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c2|pc|cT|pc|c9|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|cicus: she could cash hher winners and exit in @Hs for a nice endplay, e.g.|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hA|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h5|pc|d4|pc|hK|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|c4|pc|sT|pg|| pc|s6|pc|h2|pc|c5|pc|d5|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h9|pc|h7|pc|d9|pg|| nt|ady: down 2|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c8|pc|cJ|pc|d6|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h8|pc|dJ|pc|dT|pg|| pg|| qx|c18|st||md|4S432H8753D2CK8542,ST85HJDKQJ954CQJT,SAJ96HKQ4DAT63C97,SKQ7HAT962D87CA63|sv|n|nt|mcsd: well i don kow 24 hcp combined, game may be on especilly in teams|pg|| nt|jcomyn: but she passed 2H which was the bid she wanted to hear|pg|| nt|jcomyn: trappy hand|pg|| nt|santyclz: So CMN retakes the session lead.|pg|| nt|pelu: need to ruff 2 black cards in N - and after that N is forced to find @Hq|pg|| nt|roswolf: e/w might attempt 3nt here|pg|| mb|1H|nt|pelu: 13 / 10 and no fit |pg|| mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|nt|oosb: part score battle|pg|| nt|oosb: 3@C seems par|pg|| mb|2H|nt|mcsd: im talking in 2@d answer :) as you asked :)|pg|| mb|p|nt|jcomyn: do we give up|pg|| mb|3D|nt|paulg: North might take the push to 3@h|pg|| nt|jcomyn: w surely has one minor|pg|| nt|roswolf: but a 6 card diamond suit + chunky intermediates|pg|| nt|pelu: and all pass :)|pg|| mb|p|nt|jcomyn: xx|pg|| nt|santyclz: X of 4@s (+) used to be penalty oriented, has that changed?|pg|| nt|jcomyn: must have|pg|| mb|p|nt|oosb: discliplined pass|pg|| nt|jbgood: 5@d is good here|pg|| mb|p|nt|roswolf: ok you win this time:)|pg|| pc|hK|nt|pelu: but David missed the play in 4@H|pg|| pc|hA|nt|paulg: 2@h is pretty wide ranging, so leaving it to partner is a good decision|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hJ|pg|| nt|jbgood: is this right?|pg|| nt|eamongall: 5@Ds is in play in open room ..they won't be long |pg|| pc|d7|nt|kastan88: seems that West bid that 3@S|pg|| nt|jcomyn: might pay dearly|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dK|nt|jcomyn: ok but a little beyond me. I pass without even coinsidering a bid|pg|| nt|mcsd: dont know have no idea should she bidd or not|pg|| pc|dA|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c3|nt|petergill: The winning lead is unfindable|pg|| nt|mcsd: i may be yanger so i wuld take a risk, but would hate 2@h - i must opass|pg|| pc|cK|nt|eamongall: phew |pg|| nt|jbgood: doesnt make the contract any better now, unless S plays E for having the spade queen|pg|| pc|cT|pg|| pc|c2|nt|eamongall: 5@Hs looks like a make but maybe the @D ruff is enough to beat it |pg|| pc|cJ|nt|oosb: nice @s discard|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c6|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d3|nt|oosb: will help set up communication for second @D ruff as he doesnt know @c 2-2|pg|| pc|d8|nt|paulg: we can see everything is friendly, but declarer will have some worries|pg|| nt|oosb: now will test @C if 3-1 he can ruff @S and ruff @D|pg|| nt|eamongall: phew thinks Fuglestad |pg|| nt|jbgood: so 3 imps for Hauge:)|pg|| pc|c4|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d6|nt|oosb: but when |pg|| nt|oosb: J@D appears|pg|| nt|oosb: it'll be a quick claim|pg|| pc|h2|pc|c5|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|s2|pg|| pc|dT|pc|h6|pc|h5|pc|d4|pg|| nt|jbgood: perhaps the xx showed half a stopper? Strange to bid 3 NT on the singleton king if not|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o19|st||md|1SAJ5H965D87CJ9732,SQ2HA842DAKQCAK84,SK943HKQT7DJT532C,ST876HJ3D964CQT65|sv|e|nt|ady: 9 imps |pg|| nt|cicus: welcome 9 IMPs|pg|| mb|p|mb|2H!|nt|cicus: something special here|pg|| mb|p|nt|cicus: E will bid 2@S|pg|| mb|2S!|mb|p|mb|2N!|mb|p|mb|3C!|mb|p|mb|3D!|mb|p|mb|3H!|mb|p|nt|cicus: 2@H seems like a Kokish without 2@C|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|nt|ady: sorry lost connection|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ady: this looks overboard did well to make 2NT closed room|pg|| nt|cicus: even if @Cs behaved, this would be overbid|pg|| pc|d3|nt|cicus: seem like EW have only 7 trick inwhich case Birman is gaining 8 IMPs|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d7|pc|dK|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sK|pc|s6|pc|s5|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h3|pc|h6|pc|hA|pg|| pc|cA|nt|cicus: N lost one of his entries to his @Ds|pg|| pc|d2|pc|c5|pc|c3|pg|| pc|c4|pc|s3|pc|cQ|pc|c2|pg|| pc|cT|pc|cJ|pc|cK|pc|s4|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d5|pc|d6|pc|d8|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dT|pc|d9|pc|h5|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hQ|pc|hJ|pc|h9|pg|| nt|cicus: back to 7|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|c6|nt|ady: on emore after this hand the gap may close here|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c8|pg|| pc|hT|pc|s7|pc|c7|pc|h4|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s8|pc|sJ|pc|s2|pg|| pc|sA|pc|h8|pc|h7|pc|sT|pg|| pg|| qx|c19|st||md|1SAJ5H965D87CJ9732,SQ2HA842DAKQCAK84,SK943HKQT7DJT532C,ST876HJ3D964CQT65|sv|e|nt|eamongall: looking at full hand 5@Hs seems a make |pg|| nt|eamongall: hand 8 |pg|| nt|mcsd: well another hand another partial +2|pg|| nt|jcomyn: nothing like this morning's hands|pg|| nt|santyclz: Survived for -1, could have gotten another.|pg|| nt|santyclz: And the pendulum swings back to Herbst.|pg|| nt|jcomyn: roland do you have running scoreboard number|pg|| nt|Walddk5: y, one sec|pg|| nt|roswolf: 3nt by e/w!?|pg|| mb|p|mb|1C|nt|paulg: this looks like a Precision 2@d opener, except they use 2@h for it|pg|| nt|vugraphzhe: Standings after 10 of 22 rounds: 1st: Drijver Brink +72 2nd Schollaardt-wortel +42 3rd Jansma-Paulissen +27 4th Cornellisse Krijgsman +23|pg|| nt|eamongall: part score battle here I think |pg|| nt|petergill: Very dangerous when the doubler North was likely to have @SA|pg|| nt|Walddk5: http://b.poznan2011.pl/mxt/rrrunda4.html|pg|| mb|p|nt|kastan88: so 5@Sx -1 was good sac against 5@D or 5@H in previous|pg|| nt|jbgood: but she had 12 tricks - or do I need new glasses?|pg|| nt|petergill: Claim was probably 490 not 460 then, as there were 12 tricks |pg|| nt|eamongall: suspect it was a misunderstanding ... redouble often shows 1st round @S control |pg|| nt|jbgood: we all prefer 5@d Peter, even Up Above|pg|| nt|kastan88: if you lokk on AJxxx and partner doubling 3@S!, what you think about half stopper in W (redouble?) and then half in E (3nt), I would lead A still|pg|| nt|jcomyn: and another partial|pg|| nt|jcomyn: another trappy hand|pg|| mb|1D|nt|eamongall: think so jaak|pg|| nt|kastan88: *look|pg|| nt|eamongall: probably happy to gather in 11 ..|pg|| nt|petergill: Qxx on right and K109x(x) in partner's hand, I expect|pg|| nt|kastan88: and redouble with void, not going to 5d?|pg|| nt|jcomyn: could go higher than 4h|pg|| nt|jcomyn: 5d a great contract agst 4h|pg|| mb|p|nt|eamongall: playing 3@S in open room|pg|| nt|roswolf: or will they pass out in 2nt?|pg|| mb|2N!|nt|jcomyn: hate that 2s with rubbish vul|pg|| mb|p|nt|paulg: short diamonds with 4 or 5 clubs|pg|| nt|eamongall: they play quicker then I can type |pg|| nt|petergill: but a good point by Jaak - perhaps the winning lead was possible, though I would have led a low spade|pg|| nt|jbgood: this sequence is from outer space|pg|| nt|eamongall: 3@Cs ghesthem |pg|| mb|p|nt|jcomyn: whats wrong with those blessed minors and modern players|pg|| nt|roswolf: strong club may help them keep low|pg|| mb|p|nt|mcsd: will a @h lead be found ?|pg|| nt|roswolf: it did|pg|| nt|pelu: this bidding is the same as 2@C - 2@D - 2NT|pg|| pc|d3|nt|jcomyn: course not|pg|| nt|jcomyn: no problems now|pg|| pc|d4|nt|eamongall: but its not meant to be those suits |pg|| nt|eamongall: so maybe both minors |pg|| nt|eamongall: Baileys cuebids |pg|| pc|d7|nt|paulg: North loves the @d9 return, makes it very easy for him|pg|| nt|paulg: Jansma probably thinking he needs the spade finesse to work|pg|| nt|jbgood: another time relevant to play the singleton in opps second suit... but not too late|pg|| nt|petergill: "Aussie" not "Bailey" - Aussies bid like maniacs at fav vul|pg|| nt|jcomyn: a 7-3 fit. If they have that in a major they go mad|pg|| pc|dA|pg|| nt|jcomyn: 8-3 even|pg|| nt|pelu: only 7 tricks|pg|| pc|cK|nt|paulg: also wondering where the small diamonds are|pg|| nt|oosb: OR @D 4-4 an @H 3-3 |pg|| nt|kastan88: and something happened there too, after 3 times trumps looked as -2 (previous), must be good result for NS, if teammates not going for 6 in red suit|pg|| pc|s4|nt|eamongall: clubs here deem 4@S a make |pg|| nt|eamongall: club spots |pg|| nt|petergill: Some Aussies, or should that be Norwegians, have even maniacally tried 3NT on bare king stoppers|pg|| nt|eamongall: some maniacs play well |pg|| nt|jbgood: still - with your stack having so much honors in the short suit - 3@c nothing for me:)|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c2|pg|| nt|oosb: must decide|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|petergill: I think 4@s would have made, as @HQ lead is very unlikely. If so, the save cut the loss to 4 imps on this board|pg|| nt|kastan88: you still forgetting about favor vulnerability, Jon, and for ever young Gavin and Kirsten|pg|| nt|jbgood: will Erik find the @d King, @c king and a heart?|pg|| nt|jbgood: not sure that is so easy...|pg|| nt|eamongall: I reckon he will play @DK ok |pg|| pc|sK|nt|mcsd: i would pplay 6 instead of TQs |pg|| pc|s6|nt|petergill: Gavin and Kirsten were in the Australian Seniors Team which won the Asia Pacific Teams Championship last year - it's hard to believe they're old enough to play Seniors bridge, in ...|pg|| nt|petergill: my opinion |pg|| pc|s5|pg|| nt|jbgood: well done|pg|| pc|hK|nt|oosb: @h or @S|pg|| nt|eamongall: Wow ... strike 1|pg|| pc|h3|nt|jbgood: @c 2 suit pref|pg|| nt|petergill: Gavin and Kirsten were the first Tasmanians to play for Australia, I think. The 2nd was Hugh Grosvenor, right now in Kuala Lumpur. |pg|| nt|kastan88: Erik's nick "silla" in estonian means bridge, so he will find bridge over the trouble water|pg|| nt|petergill: Was @C2 suit pref?|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h2|pg|| nt|pelu: Geoffrey: u told me 3 NT in Board 18 - u were at wrong table - 3Nt X in OR :):)|pg|| pc|hQ|nt|oosb: and must decide right now :)|pg|| nt|paulg: but hearts 3-3 only gives him 1@d, 1@s, 4@h and 2@c ... still needs a trick|pg|| nt|oosb: @s seems higher %age|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|oosb: no he has the rest if @H 3-3|pg|| nt|oosb: 3@c no 2|pg|| nt|jbgood: Helgemo at the other table didnt even bother to bid anything - is he too old Peter?|pg|| nt|petergill: Or was it low encourage?|pg|| nt|petergill: Great defence ---> 500 and 8 imps|pg|| nt|jbgood: normal to play suit pref in that pos|pg|| pc|h6|nt|oosb: not*|pg|| nt|mcsd: good defence|pg|| pc|h4|pg|| nt|roswolf: :)|pg|| pc|dJ|nt|jcomyn: surely the point here is w bid 4d not 3d|pg|| pc|d6|nt|paulg: he will make three clubs on a squeeze, but he did not know that it was working|pg|| nt|petergill: Erik S.. did win the Bermuda Bowl in 2007 and his play here shows why. |pg|| pc|d8|nt|oosb: South squeezed if he has 4@H and K@S|pg|| pc|dK|pg|| pc|s2|nt|eamongall: its hard to commentate when I am getting a rundown on Maddie McCann case in the background |pg|| pc|s3|nt|oosb: on run of @C now|pg|| nt|oosb: Sorry on run of @H I meant|pg|| nt|oosb: must throw @C or K@S |pg|| pc|s7|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|sA|pc|h8|nt|kastan88: what case?|pg|| nt|eamongall: somebody was reading heavily last night |pg|| pc|s9|pc|s8|pg|| nt|paulg: his line has maintained chances of 3-3 breaks in both hearts and clubs, but squeeze chances when clubs do not break ..all against a spade finesse when hearts do not break|pg|| nt|oosb: could still play 9@H|pg|| nt|oosb: Very tough hand|pg|| nt|oosb: will make the bulletin if he makes though|pg|| nt|oosb: very nice ending|pg|| nt|paulg: very little to guide him |pg|| nt|oosb: Bets on A vs 9?|pg|| nt|oosb: I'm with A|pg|| nt|paulg: i think he's play ace, eventually|pg|| nt|oosb: does %age favor 9 though/|pg|| nt|oosb: ?|pg|| pc|h9|pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|c6|pg|| mc|8|nt|pelu: a endplay on way: S need to play @H9 now to A, then @C to Q and !a to A and S is forced to play from @CJ!|pg|| nt|roswolf: nice|pg|| pg|| qx|o20|st||md|2S73HQJ863D2CJT643,SHAT95DAKT9543CK9,SAKJ6HK7DQJ6CAQ52,SQT98542H42D87C87|sv|b|nt|ady: looks like Hansen will hang on Birman had a bad result in CR|pg|| mb|1D|mb|d|mb|1S|mb|2H|mb|3D|mb|d|mb|p|nt|cicus: now how much leeway will N allow for his partner?|pg|| nt|ady: 5@C or even 4@H do make for n/s|pg|| mb|3H|mb|p|nt|cicus: 4@H it is going to be|pg|| mb|3N|nt|ady: might try 3NT without success|pg|| mb|p|nt|cicus: I don't think N will risk 3NT with only 1 stopper and no adequate source of tricks|pg|| nt|cicus: great prediction|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|ady: south might show clubs now|pg|| nt|ady: no|pg|| nt|cicus: what could S do?|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d2|nt|cicus: if she took out, there migt have been a TD call|pg|| nt|ady: very bad result now for Birman|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d6|pg|| pc|dA|pc|dJ|pc|d8|pc|s3|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dQ|nt|ady: last hand thx all|pg|| pc|s8|pc|h3|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c7|pc|c3|pc|c9|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c8|pc|cJ|pc|cK|pg|| nt|ady: even if K@C was stiff still only 8 tyricks presuming Q@S wrong|pg|| mc|5|nt|ady: thx all|pg|| nt|cicus: thx all, bye|pg|| nt|ady: bye|pg|| pg|| qx|c20|st||md|2S73HQJ863D2CJT643,SHAT95DAKT9543CK9,SAKJ6HK7DQJ6CAQ52,SQT98542H42D87C87|sv|b|nt|petergill: I think Geir is in his 40's now ... Gavin Bailey might bid more than Helgemo, but would freely admit that his card play is not as good as Helgemo ... |pg|| nt|kastan88: live scores: http://b.poznan2011.pl/mxt/rrleaderb.html|pg|| nt|jcomyn: wouldnt fool the cat|pg|| nt|mcsd: NS are in momentum|pg|| nt|santyclz: At least.|pg|| nt|santyclz: I'm too old to ignor 8 card suits, I may never get another.|pg|| nt|roswolf: last bd for the day|pg|| mb|1D|nt|roswolf: thx to peter for keeping me company most of the day:)|pg|| mb|d|nt|eamongall: 41 earlier this year .. Wilkpedia |pg|| nt|jbgood: 6@c down on a di ruff - no such thing in 6 @d|pg|| nt|jcomyn: and oif course you know the bridge term for an 8-card suit|pg|| mb|p|nt|petergill: Kirsten might even push to the 5 or 6 level in @H|pg|| nt|petergill: though she doesn't bid as free-spiritedly as her husband|pg|| nt|jbgood: kibs tell me that even 5@c sh have been beaten in the CR - and right they are, since Popova made a void showing @d bid|pg|| nt|santyclz: TRUMP!|pg|| nt|roswolf: and thx to our various operators who have done a great job!|pg|| mb|1H|nt|pelu: Hi G I just had a break in match 3 - look forward to see u again :)|pg|| mb|3D|nt|eamongall: Team Comhar is Irelands best performing mixed pairs in the recent past |pg|| nt|jcomyn: ah you are all too clever|pg|| mb|p|nt|kastan88: will be very exiting show here, if all the boards are such kind of as in this match|pg|| nt|jcomyn: oops|pg|| mb|p|nt|petergill: Dbl of @H would have showed 4 or 5 spades, so 1@S probably shows @D or something like that|pg|| nt|jcomyn: p p x|pg|| mb|3H|nt|eamongall: these guys could be heading to slam in @Cs ... |pg|| nt|jbgood: 1@s either is @d or bal 6-9 - I think, so ...|pg|| nt|eamongall: yeah guess 1@S is @Ds|pg|| nt|petergill: Kirsten decided to get the lead-directing bid in first|pg|| nt|petergill: EW have not agreed any suit, so 4NT was "pick a minor", wasn't it?|pg|| nt|jcomyn: x is automatic|pg|| nt|pelu: and tx to our wery good operator, wd Kacper|pg|| mb|p|nt|roswolf: the organisers genrally need to be clapped for bringing us great bridge to watch on BBO especially Roland|pg|| mb|4H|nt|eamongall: yes I now see that ... unlikely to be blackwood|pg|| nt|petergill: Jeanette might dbl for t/io|pg|| nt|petergill: converted to penalty|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|oosb: losing just 2 aces, wonder why only 10 tricks in the other room|pg|| nt|petergill: Will EW get all their tricks again for 500? They surely should. |pg|| nt|mcsd: welcome Petrer :)|pg|| nt|jcomyn: prefer X with s hand giving p option|pg|| nt|petergill: hi Miroslav and John|pg|| nt|mcsd: i dont think it was fot T/O - proposal may be|pg|| nt|jcomyn: hi mate|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|nt|roswolf: 4@H looks difficult if not impossible|pg|| nt|roswolf: west agrees|pg|| nt|pelu: and 5@C looks good|pg|| nt|roswolf: east gulps but surely wont bid|pg|| nt|pelu: I would have bid 1@s/2@S first round on her hand|pg|| nt|roswolf: with the club finesse right this contract is on|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|nt|petergill: South being a passed hand has really shown 4-6 in majors, otherwise her initial Pass makes no sense|pg|| nt|mcsd: now @D leads from w seems best|pg|| nt|santyclz: Nice @s stop, unexpected.|pg|| nt|roswolf: OUCH|pg|| mb|5D|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|nt|mcsd: forsing defence|pg|| mb|p|nt|petergill: so North, if he truly trusts partner, could run to 3@S, knowing spades must break 3-2 on EW's auction|pg|| nt|pelu: oh - and last board - now her team will tell her the hole evening :(:(:(|pg|| nt|roswolf: AND DOUBLEOUCH|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s3|nt|jcomyn: i agree should do somthing since s originally passed|pg|| nt|mcsd: but w may have 4@S?|pg|| pc|d3|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hK|pc|h2|pc|hQ|pg|| nt|jcomyn: hardly when bidding 3d|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d7|pc|d2|nt|oosb: not a useful Ruff & discard|pg|| nt|mcsd: e bidded 3@D W may have 4|pg|| pc|dA|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|h4|nt|petergill: It's very much Jeanette's Reitzer's style to Dbl for t/o a lot with a singleton under (i.e. on the right of) the bidder - her old partner the late Ted Chadwick encouraged this ...|pg|| nt|petergill: winning style of bidding|pg|| nt|jcomyn: oh yes of course|pg|| nt|mcsd: Now S has same trump length as W|pg|| nt|mcsd: anyruff made by s is critical|pg|| nt|jcomyn: a very unnecessary big peanlty for s i think|pg|| nt|mcsd: That is forsing defence all about.|pg|| nt|petergill: only 300|pg|| nt|petergill: @s, @C, @D ruff and @s exit will be the play, for 300|pg|| pc|h3|pg|| nt|eamongall: 3 imps to Team Bailey|pg|| nt|vugraphpl5: Next mach will start at 3 pm|pg|| nt|jbgood: bye all - enjoyable bridge!|pg|| nt|petergill: If West bid 6@C, South would have Lightner Doubled, knowing her trusting husbandn would dare not lead anything but a @D (@S cannot be right = no dbl of 6@C, and @H cannot be right, ...|pg|| nt|petergill: so Lightner Dbl must ask for @d lead) and get 500. |pg|| nt|petergill: Bulletin 1 at http://www.eurobridge.org/competitions/11Poznan/Bulletins/bul01.pdf|pg|| nt|eamongall: Hilmo is indicating 5@Cs was beaten in other room |pg|| nt|petergill: Results at http://b.poznan2011.pl/mxt/rrleaderb.html|pg|| nt|eamongall: but vugraph shows a @HK lead |pg|| nt|mcsd: Be carefull when having singleton trump not to lead it |pg|| nt|petergill: Oops!|pg|| pc|h5|pc|s6|nt|santyclz: This is the last bd of this segment, the next is due to start in about 20 min.|pg|| pc|d8|nt|mcsd: now @D again ad...|pg|| nt|petergill: 500 now|pg|| nt|mcsd: a @S may be good|pg|| pc|h6|pg|| nt|petergill: @H play by South was error, had to simply take her tricks and get trump in ending|pg|| nt|jcomyn: how often u take your eye off the ball when u realise u are in a very bad contract|pg|| nt|petergill: 800 if she finesses, 500 if she does not|pg|| nt|jcomyn: like in golf - take your medicine and get out of there|pg|| pc|c7|nt|oosb: 10 tricks|pg|| nt|santyclz: Vg in your timezone: http://online.bridgebase.com/vugraph/schedule.php Make it your home page!|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cK|nt|paulg: playing safely, unsurprisingly|pg|| nt|petergill: 300 if she doesn't finesse|pg|| pc|cA|pg|| nt|mcsd: she must take A@S and discard @S on @c T|pg|| nt|pelu: in the afterplay: we justr maded a wrong sacf over 5@C - :)|pg|| pc|sK|nt|petergill: as West has one too many trumps and will be endplayed|pg|| pc|s4|nt|oosb: too safely.|pg|| nt|oosb: overcomplicated it|pg|| nt|mcsd: ouch|pg|| pc|s7|nt|jcomyn: thatsa two ouches|pg|| nt|roswolf: NICELY PUT|pg|| pc|d4|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d6|nt|kastan88: live-scores and list of groups: http://r.poznan2011.pl/mxt/rrleaderb.html|pg|| nt|vugraphpl5: there is short break now|pg|| nt|eamongall: a team called Blue Rose in the same group as this got hit for 81 imps bya team called Manno|pg|| nt|eamongall: Ha ..Krytoff Martens is part of Mano |pg|| nt|eamongall: 3 boards still to score here including decent looking results on 8 and 9 for Team 8|pg|| nt|eamongall: oops the vuraph boss is going to shut us down |pg|| nt|kastan88: ty Eamonn for comments, and tx to our operator Joanna. Kibbitzers ---> pls to open room|pg|| nt|eamongall: Team Banzai from Ireland got battered by strong Norwegians including Geir Helgemo .. by 46 imps |pg|| nt|eamongall: boards 8 and 9 did materialize as decent results for Team Comhar |pg|| nt|kastan88: so 17:13 in VP for Helness/Brogeland team|pg|| nt|kastan88: Pleas stay with us spectators, next round I hope in 10-15 minutes|pg|| nt|petergill: back to 500|pg|| pc|s5|pc|c4|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dJ|pc|c8|pc|c6|pg|| nt|mcsd: 800 now|pg|| nt|petergill: back to 800|pg|| nt|jcomyn: 3 ouches = DISASTER|pg|| nt|mcsd: :)|pg|| nt|mcsd: tis can cost a lot Imps|pg|| nt|petergill: Sorry, I've been commentating a lot at the Asia Pacific Championships this week, so i'm not used to this ping pong style of card play that happens in Europe.|pg|| nt|mcsd: :)|pg|| nt|mcsd: more interesting this way|pg|| nt|jcomyn: true gives us more to talk about|pg|| nt|mcsd: The best jankova ken get is 14 points, if tahy play say 2@s and make|pg|| nt|mcsd: no E-W play 3nt|pg|| nt|petergill: On Bd 29, South at the other table didn't try the "only chance" defence that was found at this table - the hand where Reitzer hoped for blocked hearts if South had @HKxx|pg|| nt|petergill: so Smederevac gets Gold Award on Bd 29 for top defence (and nice @HA falsecard by North) then No Gold for her on Bd 30|pg|| nt|petergill: Results at http://b.poznan2011.pl/mxt/rrleaderb.html are live and include progress scores for Round 3|pg|| nt|petergill: When looking at Results, put cursor on Team Name to see who is in the team|pg|| nt|petergill: then click on team name for full details of each match|pg|| nt|petergill: In Group I, Khandelwal is now 2nd and Jankova a close 4th|pg|| nt|petergill: Michal Kopecky met Jeanette Reitzer when Michal visited Australia last year. |pg|| nt|mcsd: ok see you in 20 minutes|pg|| nt|petergill: The top 3 teams in each group qualify into Swiss A and the others into Swiss B. Ref page 1 of Bulletin 1 at http://www.eurobridge.org/competitions/11Poznan/Bulletins/bul01.pdf for ...|pg|| nt|petergill: more detail. |pg|| pc|cQ|pc|s8|pc|cT|pc|c9|pg|| nt|roswolf: 800|pg|| pc|c5|pc|s9|pc|cJ|pc|dT|pg|| pc|d9|pc|c2|pc|sT|pc|h8|pg|| pc|h9|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pc|hJ|pg|| nt|roswolf: bye all see you tomorrow!|pg|| pg||