vg|BBO1-2nd Mind Sports Games,O-QF 3_6,I,1,16,Netherlands,72,Monaco,75|
rs|4SN=,4SN=,2HE+2,3HE=,5HNx-2,5CW-1,1NS=,1NS+1,3DE+1,3DE+1,5SNx-3,6SNx-4,3NEx-2,2SN=,4DN+1,5DN=,4HN-1,3NN=,4HS+1,4HS+1,2HW+1,2SS-1,4HN-3,4HN-1,1NE=,2SW=,6SS-2,6SS-2,2HE=,4HE-1,7SW=,6SW+1|
pn|MULLER,HELGEMO,DE WIJS,HELNESS,NUNES,VERHEES JR,FANTONI,PROOIJEN|pg||
qx|o1|st||md|3S7HQ963DQ9532C943,SQTHT874DA64CKT87,SAKJ86532HJDKT8CQ,S94HAK52DJ7CAJ652|sv|o|nt|kingcur: I don't know why we're notarting here, sorry|pg||
nt|kit: hi everybody|pg||
nt|kingcur: but it seems we are|pg||
nt|kingcur: and we do have the line up that was predicted by me|pg||
mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kingcur: somewhat later start to have comparisons, it is said|pg||
pc|hA|nt|kingcur: usually, with Muller at the table, you dont need that |pg||
pc|h3|pc|h4|pc|hJ|pg||
nt|kingcur: although he's lately been playing considerably faster than his repute leads to expect|pg||
nt|kit: Fairly lucky 4@S contract.  Depends on queen of spades coming down and picking up jack of diamonds|pg||
nt|kit: However, with no dummy entry there is only one way to play the diamond suit -- and that succeeds.|pg||
pc|hK|pc|h6|pc|h7|pc|s2|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|s7|pc|sT|pg||
pc|sK|pc|s9|pc|d2|pc|sQ|pg||
pc|dK|pc|dJ|pc|d3|pc|dA|pg||
pc|c7|pc|cQ|mc|10|pg||
qx|c1|st||md|3S7HQ963DQ9532C943,SQTHT874DA64CKT87,SAKJ86532HJDKT8CQ,S94HAK52DJ7CAJ652|sv|o|mb|1S|nt|siladen:  welcome|pg||
mb|1N|an|4!h + 5minor|nt|siladen:  good evening here :)|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 1@S = forcing     1N = 4@H & 5+@C/@D  [Raptor]|pg||
nt|siladen:  the first 2 sections is very enjoyable, hope the rest will do the same :)|pg||
mb|p|nt|ahollan1: exactly 4@H|pg||
mb|2H|nt|ahollan1: better -- thanks :)|pg||
mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hK|nt|ahollan1: all 1-suit opening bids are 1-round force for fantunes|pg||
nt|ahollan1: EW carding   upside-down count & attitude, odd/even discard|pg||
pc|h3|pc|h4|pc|hJ|pg||
nt|peyret: @h 4 must be pref|pg||
nt|ahollan1: the use of Raptor NT overcall has an affect on takeout DBL auctions  since DBL includes strong NT|pg||
nt|ahollan1: normal range for 1N  something like 8-15/17|pg||
pc|c5|pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|cQ|pg||
nt|ahollan1: many many  specs mentioning that Verhees must duck if @D to Q   i'm not so sure|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d8|pc|d7|pc|d2|pg||
pc|d4|nt|ahollan1: well that definitely clears things up|pg||
pc|dT|pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pg||
nt|siladen:  but finesse and drop will made here|pg||
nt|ahollan1: how can he misplay @S?|pg||
nt|peyret: but as the cards lay no chance to loose 2 @d :)|pg||
nt|vugraphzbd: i put the card but fulvio is thinking, he didn't play the card|pg||
nt|siladen:  no way here|pg||
nt|ahollan1: against meckwell  Cullin opened 4@S and made it DBLed|pg||
pc|s7|nt|siladen:  still need to play spade right to make|pg||
nt|ahollan1: Open Room is on live vugraph so they won't start for a while|pg||
nt|ahollan1: @DA seems bizarre    if partner had singleton - wouldn't he lead it rather than @H?  [definitely not @C switch]|pg||
pc|sT|pc|sJ|pc|s4|pg||
mc|10|pg||
qx|o2|st||md|4SJ97HJ3DK975CAQ92,ST3HKQ9DA64CJT753,SA8654H652DT3CK86,SKQ2HAT874DQJ82C4|sv|n|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|d7|nt|kingcur: solid 2@H raise here|pg||
nt|andersk: Well Kit, since u have @D 1098 you might hook it both ways|pg||
nt|kingcur: but maybe that's agreed by 2@H|pg||
nt|kit: not if you can't get to dummy|pg||
pc|d4|pc|dT|pc|dQ|pg||
pc|h4|pc|h3|pc|hK|nt|andersk: @DK is the right play, we all agree with that...but there was an option of playing East for @D A....:)|pg||
pc|h2|pg||
pc|s3|nt|kit: Had West taken an invitational sequence they likely would have gotten to the reasonable heart game, which probably would make on the lie of the cards.|pg||
pc|s6|pc|sK|pc|s9|pg||
pc|hA|pc|hJ|pc|h9|pc|h5|pg||
pc|h7|pc|c2|pc|hQ|pc|h6|pg||
pc|sT|pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|s7|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg||
pc|d6|pc|s5|mc|10|pg||
qx|c2|st||md|4SJ97HJ3DK975CAQ92,ST3HKQ9DA64CJT753,SA8654H652DT3CK86,SKQ2HAT874DQJ82C4|sv|n|nt|ahollan1: 2@D = 10-15 hcp, 5+@H 4+@D|pg||
mb|2D|an|5!h 4!d 10-15|mb|p|mb|3C|nt|ahollan1: 3@C = @H, mixed  maybe 3@H <LR|pg||
mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: LR = Limit Raise|pg||
pc|s7|nt|ahollan1: NS leads  Slawinski|pg||
pc|s3|pc|sA|pc|s2|pg||
nt|ahollan1: hi = odd, no honor  or  even + honor|pg||
nt|ahollan1: just the opposite for low|pg||
nt|barnets: hi all al|pg||
pc|h2|pc|h4|pc|hJ|nt|ahollan1: NS convention card has decent explanation of leads |pg||
pc|hK|pg||
pc|hQ|pc|h5|pc|h7|pc|h3|pg||
nt|ahollan1: or  orginal text  online   http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/ forster/bridge/development/slawinski/|pg||
pc|h9|pc|h6|pc|hA|nt|phil: hi as well, I'll chirp in when needed|pg||
pc|c2|pg||
pc|d2|pc|d5|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg||
pc|d4|pc|dT|pc|dJ|pc|dK|pg||
nt|peyret: just made now|pg||
pc|sJ|pc|sT|pc|s4|pc|sK|pg||
mc|9|pg||
qx|o3|st||md|1SK53HQ32DAJ953C64,SJ72HT7DQT2CKQJ97,S984HAK98654D86C2,SAQT6HJDK74CAT853|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|4H|nt|kingcur: 10 tricks here, so first overtrick blood to Monaco|pg||
mb|d|nt|andersk: alot of long major suits last 2 set|pg||
mb|p|mb|5C|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: Passing the double is winning decision, but not easy to do.|pg||
mb|5H|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: but that is the losing decision.|pg||
nt|kingcur: this seems like -300|pg||
pc|cA|nt|kit: I think 5@H is poor call, particularly opposite 3rd seat preempt which might be on anything.|pg||
pc|c4|pc|c7|pc|c2|pg||
nt|kingcur: and 5@Hx-2 will bring the aggregate Monaco win to 9 imps on this board|pg||
pc|sQ|nt|kingcur: plus it's 5@H in the rebound, Kit. I'd have more sympathy for 5@H directly if you really feel you need to bid|pg||
nt|kit: I'm not so sure about this queen of spades shift -- seems like if declarer is 1-8-3-1 it could cost the contract.|pg||
nt|andersk: I think we owe the world champs som respect for their desisions...sometime 5@H even make and 5@C makes too (just give helness another @D instead of a @H) |pg||
nt|kit: I don't like 5@H directly either -- for all you know, West might have been about to pass 4@H doubled.|pg||
nt|kit: kibs make good point -- if West had spade length, he would have bid 4@S.|pg||
pc|sK|pc|s2|pc|s8|pg||
pc|hQ|pc|hT|pc|h4|pc|hJ|pg||
nt|andersk: anyway, yhis will be 300 for Monaco, and 9 IMP|pg||
pc|h3|pc|h7|pc|hA|pc|c3|pg||
pc|d6|nt|kit: I guess real danger is that declarer has queen of diamonds and first 3 black suit tricks would cash|pg||
pc|d4|pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pg||
pc|s7|pc|s4|pc|sT|pc|s3|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s5|pc|sJ|pc|s9|pg||
mc|9|nt|kit: maybe low club at trick 1 shows odd number|pg||
nt|thorvald: Jag spørger Mikkel - jeg har dog nogle overvejelser om at lave BBO-træningsturneringer, så måske kunen det være mere interessant|pg||
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qx|c3|st||md|1SK53HQ32DAJ953C64,SJ72HT7DQT2CKQJ97,S984HAK98654D86C2,SAQT6HJDK74CAT853|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|nt|phil: he was always making with the spade on - 4@h would have been considerably more interesting, but should also make |pg||
mb|4H|mb|d|nt|peyret: he could ruff 4. @d |pg||
mb|p|mb|5C|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: Verhees 5@C  is close decision|pg||
nt|ahollan1: DBL is takeout, but pulling much more rare than at lower levels|pg||
mb|p|nt|phil: anything special about 4@h in Fantunes Al? |pg||
nt|ahollan1: so  bid by Verhees is TO MAKE|pg||
pc|hA|nt|ahollan1: nothing special  just a game try :)|pg||
nt|phil: :)|pg||
nt|barnets: def need  attack spades immediately to beat 4@HX|pg||
pc|hJ|pc|h2|pc|h7|pg||
nt|peyret: seems -1|pg||
nt|barnets: so 5@C may work out as a save|pg||
pc|d8|pc|d4|pc|dA|pc|dT|pg||
pc|d9|pc|dQ|pc|d6|pc|d7|pg||
pc|cK|pc|c2|pc|c3|pc|c4|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|h4|pc|c5|pc|c6|pg||
pc|sJ|nt|barnets: not all would bid 5@C|pg||
mc|10|nt|phil: yes, its borderline on such a balanced hand|pg||
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qx|o4|st||md|2SQT64HA872DKT3CA5,SA982HQ4DQJ94C984,SJ7HKJ93DA752C762,SK53HT65D86CKQJT3|sv|b|nt|thorvald: Sry, wrong chat|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|d|mb|1S|nt|kingcur: So, Monaco out of the blocks well, this session. The first two, it was the Dutch|pg||
mb|d|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c4|nt|kit: most pairs would play this double of 1@S as showing spades -- clearly they do not.|pg||
nt|andersk: not an easy board to declear|pg||
nt|andersk: we can see 7 easy, but if the @h suit only give 3 tricks the deefence has got 7|pg||
nt|kit: Declarer needs to pick up the heart suit to make this.  If he takes normal percentage play he will, but if he believes East needs queen of hearts for opening bid then declarer ...|pg||
nt|kit: could go wrong.|pg||
nt|kingcur: indeed, there's a way to go wrong i hearts here, in view of E's opening bid|pg||
nt|andersk: As Kit says, might be case to play the @h against the odds|pg||
pc|c2|pc|cT|pc|cA|pg||
nt|kit: East might do well to play something like king of clubs at trick 1, to deceived declarer about his club holding.|pg||
nt|andersk: East might have 6@C so better deside about @H suit at once|pg||
pc|s4|pc|s2|pc|sJ|pc|sK|pg||
pc|cK|pc|c5|pc|c8|pc|c6|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|h2|pc|c9|pc|c7|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|d3|nt|kit: It is too early in the morning for me -- forgot declarer had time to set up a spade trick.|pg||
pc|d4|pc|d2|pg||
pc|c3|pc|s6|nt|andersk: He did, when @C was 5-3|pg||
pc|s8|pc|d5|pg||
pc|d8|nt|kingcur: can we offer you a good espresso maybe, Kit? :)|pg||
pc|dK|pc|d9|pc|d7|pg||
pc|hA|nt|andersk: still case to play against the odds in @H|pg||
pc|h4|pc|h3|pc|h5|pg||
pc|h7|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|h6|pg||
nt|moshel: 2 espresso in the way :)|pg||
mc|7|pg||
qx|c4|st||md|2SQT64HA872DKT3CA5,SA982HQ4DQJ94C984,SJ7HKJ93DA752C762,SK53HT65D86CKQJT3|sv|b|nt|ahollan1:  1  deWijs opened 4@S|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1N|nt|peyret: monaco can get imp from board 2|pg||
nt|ahollan1:  2  Helgemo-Helness stop in 2@H|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 1N=12-14  [sometimes 11 not-vul]   includes some unusual shapes|pg||
mb|p|pc|dQ|nt|barnets: Sweden made 4@H V Meckwell when they started a trump and beat 4@H in other room|pg||
pc|d2|pc|d6|pc|dK|pg||
nt|ahollan1: HH did make extra overtrick on  2|pg||
pc|h2|pc|h4|pc|hJ|pc|h5|pg||
pc|s7|pc|s5|pc|sT|nt|ahollan1: :)   deWijs   2 opens 4@S    3 opens 4@H|pg||
pc|sA|pg||
pc|s2|pc|sJ|pc|sK|pc|s4|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|c5|pc|c8|pc|c2|pg||
pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c4|pc|c6|pg||
pc|h7|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|h6|pg||
pc|h9|pc|hT|pc|hA|pc|d4|pg||
pc|h8|pc|c9|pc|h3|pc|c3|pg||
nt|peyret: he can end play |pg||
pc|sQ|pc|s8|pc|c7|pc|s3|pg||
nt|peyret: for overtrick|pg||
pc|dT|pc|dJ|pc|dA|pc|d8|pg||
nt|ahollan1:  3  deWisj in 5@HX|pg||
mc|8|pg||
qx|o5|st||md|3ST854H874DQ2CQT53,S93H953DAJ3CAJ764,SQJ62HAQJT2DK9CK9,SAK7HK6DT87654C82|sv|n|mb|1C|mb|1D|nt|kingcur: 3NT here?|pg||
nt|andersk: what direction?:)|pg||
nt|kingcur: not on heart lead of course|pg||
nt|andersk: I doubt it|pg||
mb|d|mb|2D|nt|kit: Thanks Anders -- I was wondering that also.|pg||
nt|andersk: 3@D EW or 3 @S NS, is my guess|pg||
mb|2H|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|andersk: :)|pg||
pc|h4|pc|h3|pc|hA|pc|h6|pg||
pc|hJ|pc|hK|pc|h7|pc|h5|pg||
pc|d4|pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|d9|pg||
pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|s4|pg||
pc|sK|pc|s5|pc|s9|pc|s6|pg||
pc|s7|pc|s8|pc|d3|pc|sJ|pg||
nt|kit: South unlikely to have KQ of diamonds on bidding, so going up ace looks right|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|dK|pc|d5|pc|dQ|pg||
mc|10|pg||
qx|c5|st||md|3ST854H874DQ2CQT53,S93H953DAJ3CAJ764,SQJ62HAQJT2DK9CK9,SAK7HK6DT87654C82|sv|n|nt|ahollan1: Helgemo also pulled to 5@C|pg||
mb|1H|nt|ahollan1: 1@H usually 14+ but can be less with 4@S|pg||
nt|ahollan1: it is forcing 1 round|pg||
mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: an extension of Raptor 1N -- IFF vanProoijen overcalls 2@D it would deny 4@S|pg||
nt|granguru:  11+ if 4@s 5+@h|pg||
mb|3D|mb|p|mb|p|nt|granguru:  2@H 2-7|pg||
mb|p|nt|ahollan1: can it really be that strong?|pg||
pc|h8|pc|h3|pc|hA|pc|h6|pg||
nt|ahollan1: per Bill Jacobs' book, Fantunes Revealed   2@H=a) 3-6 HCP, 3-fit  b) 2-4, 4-fit|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|s3|pg||
nt|ahollan1: so John's 2-7 is close|pg||
nt|peyret: fantoni did not even invite 16 points.I think limit of simple raise too low |pg||
pc|d4|pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|d9|pg||
pc|s9|pc|s2|pc|sK|pc|s5|pg||
pc|s7|pc|s8|pc|d3|pc|s6|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|dK|pc|d5|pc|dQ|pg||
nt|ahollan1: keep in mind   1@H is forcing|pg||
mc|10|pg||
qx|o6|st||md|4SK5432HATDAKT43C4,S98H64DJ962CKQJ52,SJT76H532DQ875C96,SAQHKQJ987DCAT873|sv|e|nt|kingcur: fast and flat, next|pg||
nt|Vugraphzay: EW about to be in 6@C in the CR|pg||
nt|kit: If East ever gets some club support, he can just about bid slam on his own.|pg||
nt|Vugraphzay: Got taken out to 6@D and now they've bid 6@H|pg||
mb|1H|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|4C|nt|Vugraphzay: Which has now been taken out to 6@SX|pg||
nt|kingcur: is S's minor know by 2@H?|pg||
mb|4S|mb|5C|nt|kit: I think it is now :)|pg||
nt|kingcur: :)|pg||
mb|5S|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kingcur: N will smell double fit now|pg||
pc|hK|nt|kingcur: spec telling me that 2@H specifically showed @S/@D|pg||
nt|kit: I'm a little surprised at the double.  Not only might 6@C be cold, but how can he be that sure of even beating 5@S?|pg||
nt|andersk: Maybe Geir could have bid 4 NT? (or even 4 sp, depends on agrements)|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h6|pc|h2|pg||
pc|c4|pc|cJ|pc|c6|pc|c3|pg||
nt|andersk: 4 NT must be a good @C raise IMO|pg||
nt|andersk: without @S controll|pg||
pc|h4|pc|h3|pc|hQ|pc|hT|pg||
pc|hJ|pc|sK|pc|c5|pc|h5|pg||
pc|s2|pc|s9|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pg||
nt|kit: winning play to ruff with king of spades -- and he found it -- not so obvious.|pg||
nt|kingcur: nasty hand, with the uppercut and no way to get to N hand without letting E score @SQ|pg||
nt|kit: East better cash ace of spades now before he gets endplayed.|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s8|pc|s6|pg||
pc|c7|pc|s4|pc|c2|pc|c9|pg||
pc|d3|pc|d2|pc|d5|nt|kit: ha!|pg||
nt|kingcur: wow, smelled that right|pg||
mc|8|pg||
qx|c6|st||md|4SK5432HATDAKT43C4,S98H64DJ962CKQJ52,SJT76H532DQ875C96,SAQHKQJ987DCAT873|sv|e|nt|ahollan1: 1@C = 16+ unbal or 18+ bal|pg||
mb|1C|an|strong|nt|phil: 6@c is a nice spot, and its instantly right-sided|pg||
nt|peyret: slam hand in @c not in @h|pg||
nt|barnets: 6 or 7 @D a good save|pg||
nt|ahollan1: if he wants to bid now   Nunes  1N = 2 suits same shape|pg||
nt|ahollan1: so @C & @H   or  @D & @S|pg||
mb|1N|mb|d|nt|peyret: 1 nt 2 suited hand ?|pg||
nt|phil: Fantoni can't bounce very high since he does not have an assured fit|pg||
nt|ahollan1: DBL = a) 5-7 HCP  b) FG, no descriptive bid|pg||
nt|phil: if he had H + S for instance, he knows there's a fit somewhere|pg||
nt|barnets: 7@DX is 800|pg||
nt|ahollan1: since Fantoni long in same shape -- he can't preempt agressively|pg||
mb|2D|nt|ahollan1: sorry Phil -- i didn't see you got there first|pg||
nt|phil: no worries|pg||
mb|3H|nt|phil: Prooijen has a pretty good idea what suits he has |pg||
nt|ahollan1: not sure if 3@H shows 2-suiter :(|pg||
nt|peyret: 6 @d is good save |pg||
mb|d|mb|4H|nt|phil: would 2@h be a one round force? |pg||
mb|4S|nt|peyret: @c suit is lost for e/w|pg||
mb|d|nt|ahollan1: i think  vP DBL says  "willing to compete"|pg||
mb|p|mb|5C|nt|ahollan1: but don't quote me|pg||
nt|ahollan1: they've right-sided @C contract|pg||
mb|5D|nt|peyret: good 5 @c. they can play right contract now|pg||
nt|barnets: East has undisclosed support for clubs |pg||
mb|6C|nt|barnets: there its disclosed now|pg||
nt|peyret: verhees 5 @c solved problem|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: going back     it is a bit curious to me that Fantoni bid 2@D|pg||
nt|peyret: time to save |pg||
mb|6D|nt|barnets: well done e/w|pg||
mb|6H|nt|phil: I'm guessing (and I hate to guess) but the x of 4@s is pass / double inversion? So double invites further action? |pg||
nt|ahollan1: i thought maybe 2@H  [to pay 2@H if @H & @C - otherwise @S]|pg||
nt|ahollan1: right Phil|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|6S|mb|p|mb|p|nt|peyret: wowed saved 2 times |pg||
nt|ahollan1: very nice auction by both pairs|pg||
nt|barnets: this was a great auction|pg||
mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|phil: well judged|pg||
nt|phil: even if 6@h wasn't making|pg||
nt|ahollan1: of course we can see that 6@H was going down, but ...|pg||
nt|peyret: but 6 @h 1 off|pg||
pc|cA|pc|c4|pc|c2|pc|c6|pg||
nt|ahollan1: @C makes because discards on long @H    @H down because no discards and @S finesse loses|pg||
pc|hQ|pc|hA|nt|ahollan1: Muller in 5@SX|pg||
nt|siladen:  imagine if fantoni passed on 4@H|pg||
pc|h6|pc|h2|pg||
nt|phil: then he'd save 150 points :)|pg||
nt|barnets: why ?|pg||
nt|peyret: he cant return hand to play trump|pg||
nt|peyret: 2 trumps 1 dia 1 cl 1 h . 800 min may be 1100 |pg||
nt|phil: true, looks like 5 losers in spades|pg||
nt|peyret: also over ruff @h. prob 1100|pg||
nt|barnets: I bet on 800|pg||
nt|phil: the latest: http://worldbridge.org/tourn/Lille.12/microSite/RunningScores/ASP/knockoutphaseconditstatMultievColours.asp?qtournid=936&qphase=QF|pg||
nt|peyret: can ruff high on @h|pg||
nt|ahollan1: all 4 matches on BBO|pg||
nt|phil: yes, he'd have to play the @sK for 1100 |pg||
nt|ahollan1: in this position  deWijs just played @S2 from dummy|pg||
nt|phil: ty|pg||
nt|peyret: fantoni suspects 4-0 @d. he thinks lot |pg||
nt|barnets: Usa gained 14 imps v Sweden here making 5 @Hx + 1|pg||
nt|barnets: in one room and playing 4@S in other|pg||
nt|barnets: strange e/w let them play 4@S|pg||
nt|phil: he has a lot of information about the East hand in this auction|pg||
nt|peyret: very strange|pg||
pc|s2|pc|s8|pc|sT|nt|barnets: South won @HA in 5@HX and played a spade|pg||
pc|sQ|pg||
pc|hK|pc|hT|pc|h4|pc|h5|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s9|pc|s6|pg||
pc|c8|pc|s4|pc|c5|pc|c9|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d5|pc|h7|pg||
nt|phil: ok so 800|pg||
mc|8|nt|peyret: he did best and ended 800|pg||
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qx|o7|st||md|1SQT9842H9DT6CKQT8,SK7HKJ72DAKJ5C752,S5HAQT86D9873CA43,SAJ63H543DQ42CJ96|sv|b|nt|kingcur: 2 off then, not?|pg||
nt|kit: Helgemo forgot to count the hand it looks like|pg||
nt|thorvald: Still scored as 3 down|pg||
nt|Vugraphzay: Not sure because I am not at the table, this is what I saw on the screen|pg||
mb|2S|mb|d|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|nt|kit: maybe declarer led ace of diamonds|pg||
nt|kit: that's my guess.|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: Double of 3NT probably says don't lead a spade -- and maybe they will go down, or run someplace.|pg||
nt|Vugraphzay: I'm hearing both players have 500 on their score cards so I am guessing the @D play entered by the operator was a mistake|pg||
mb|p|nt|thorvald: EW can run, but they can't hide|pg||
pc|h9|nt|kit: This double of 3NT was quite a success. East had a problem in the bidding -- probably 2NT would have been Lebensohl.|pg||
nt|Vugraphzay: X is either penalty or @H lead|pg||
pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pc|h4|pg||
pc|h8|pc|h3|pc|s2|pc|hK|pg||
pc|d5|pc|d3|pc|dQ|pc|d6|pg||
pc|d2|pc|dT|pc|dA|pc|d7|pg||
pc|dK|pc|d8|pc|d4|pc|s4|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|d9|nt|kingcur:  6 gave Netherlands the first imps of this session: 7 when 6@Sx was off 4 in other room|pg||
pc|h5|pc|s8|pg||
nt|kit: and this deal may give them some more.|pg||
pc|sK|pc|s5|pc|s3|pc|s9|pg||
pc|s7|pc|c3|pc|sA|pc|sT|pg||
nt|kingcur: indeed, a very well timed dbl bij Simon de Wijs|pg||
mc|7|pg||
qx|c7|st||md|1SQT9842H9DT6CKQT8,SK7HKJ72DAKJ5C752,S5HAQT86D9873CA43,SAJ63H543DQ42CJ96|sv|b|nt|ahollan1: i forgot to mention  the NS system over opponent's strong club is called CRASH  [X=same color, 1@D=same rank, 1N=same shape]|pg||
nt|barnets: thats a very old system |pg||
nt|ahollan1: 2@S=10-13, so unlikely for Nunes  but might upgrade with 64|pg||
nt|granguru:  1960's|pg||
nt|ahollan1: I saw CRASH in 70s -- didn't know it was around earlier than that|pg||
nt|phil: came out with IDAK bids didn't it ? |pg||
nt|granguru:  invented to play against strong 1@c openngs |pg||
nt|ahollan1: helness in 3NX east after Muller opened weak 2@S|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i thought IDAK preceded CRASH|pg||
nt|ahollan1: IDAK = instant destroyer and killer|pg||
nt|ahollan1: and the fact that Phil and I both know that is scary|pg||
nt|phil: great acronym :) even if some of the methods were strange|pg||
mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: convention cards for all participants online under  http://www.ecatsbridge.com/documents/docdefault.asp?page=cc|pg||
mb|p|nt|granguru:  Crash was pretty common against CCWei's Precision Club, but used also before than that vs Belladonna-garozzo Superprecision|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 1N = good 14-17|pg||
nt|phil: certain overcalls were "two way" exclusion bids - either single suited in the suit bid or three suited and shortness in the suit bid|pg||
mb|2D|an|1major|mb|p|mb|2S|an|inv in !h|nt|phil: why you'd want to compete with a 3 suiter over a strong club is beyond me :)|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|peyret: good scores are coming for netherlands|pg||
pc|d2|nt|barnets: in open 3N was x probaly asking for a non spade lead|pg||
pc|d6|pc|dK|nt|barnets: I like that method a lot|pg||
nt|ahollan1: seems NS play a version of Woolsey  which some call Multi-Landy|pg||
pc|d7|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|d4|pc|dT|pg||
nt|peyret: single @h was led after dbl |pg||
nt|ahollan1: DBL = 4@H/@S & 5+@C/@D  2@C=@H & @S  2@D=1-suit @H/@S [or rare other hands]  2M=M+m|pg||
nt|barnets: when partner bids a long suit and you x it means lead something else|pg||
nt|peyret: obviously other major :)|pg||
pc|h2|pc|hQ|pc|h5|pc|h9|pg||
pc|s5|pc|s3|pc|sT|pc|sK|pg||
nt|granguru:  as Holland remembers well CC published in 1969 and Superpr in 1973(english version)|pg||
pc|c5|pc|c3|pc|c6|pc|cT|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|s7|pc|h6|pc|sA|pg||
nt|granguru:  Hollander :$ but I weill call u Al|pg||
pc|c9|pc|cK|pc|c2|pc|c4|pg||
pc|s9|nt|phil: great article here on Bridgeguys: http://www.bridgeguys.com/Conventions/idak_wonder_bids.html|pg||
pc|c7|mc|8|pg||
qx|o8|st||md|2SAJT62H9754DKCAKQ,S753HAKT32D62CJT4,S8H8DAJ98754C8652,SKQ94HQJ6DQT3C973|sv|o|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|nt|kit: In other room N-S not playing weak 2's, so West quietly in 1NT.|pg||
nt|andersk: Last time I spoke to Tor about system, he ment that agrements on the "big" boards was much more important that all kinds of jacoby, raises, support X, fit jumps etc etc.....the big ...|pg||
nt|andersk: boards is HeHe big feature....thats why the last board (5spX-3) kinda suprised me that Geir didnt have another bid than 5 @C|pg||
nt|kit: 5@D winning contract here, but can South find that?|pg||
mb|3S|mb|p|mb|4D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hQ|pc|h4|pc|hK|pc|h8|pg||
pc|hA|pc|d4|pc|h6|pc|h5|pg||
pc|d5|pc|d3|pc|dK|pc|d2|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s8|pc|s4|pg||
pc|s2|pc|s5|pc|d7|pc|s9|pg||
pc|dA|pc|dT|pc|h7|pc|d6|pg||
pc|c5|pc|c3|pc|cQ|pc|c4|pg||
pc|s6|pc|s7|pc|d8|pc|sQ|pg||
nt|kingcur: this room has meanwhile taken over the other room, less convenient with regard to score comparison|pg||
mc|11|pg||
qx|c8|st||md|2SAJT62H9754DKCAKQ,S753HAKT32D62CJT4,S8H8DAJ98754C8652,SKQ94HQJ6DQT3C973|sv|o|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: ahhh  Wonder Bids   i was hurting myself trying to remember that term|pg||
mb|3D|mb|p|nt|barnets: 5@D on club split or @DQ doubleton|pg||
mb|5D|nt|barnets: so a decent contract|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: bidding over 3@D is far from automatic|pg||
nt|granguru:  The idea comes, thou, from Roman System where Roman Blackwood answered 0-3, 1-4, 2(CRASH) (3 steps)|pg||
nt|granguru:  built in the 1950's|pg||
pc|sQ|nt|phil: NS hands mesh nicely|pg||
nt|barnets: now dec can play @SJ and pitch heart|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s7|pc|s8|pg||
nt|ahollan1: that is still used a lot in Viking Precision  but they call the response CRU  [color rank unmatched]|pg||
pc|dK|pc|d2|pc|d4|pc|d3|pg||
nt|barnets: so he gets rid of a hear and a club on two spades|pg||
pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|d5|pc|s4|pg||
pc|dA|pc|dT|pc|h4|pc|d6|pg||
nt|ahollan1: also CRO  color rank odd|pg||
pc|c2|pc|c3|pc|cQ|pc|c4|pg||
nt|barnets: @SJ play is 100 percent|pg||
pc|sJ|pc|s5|pc|h8|pc|sK|pg||
mc|11|pg||
qx|o9|st||md|3SA97H7DKQJ65CK763,ST62HK9864DT7CJ84,SQ83HAQJT32DACT95,SKJ54H5D98432CAQ2|sv|e|nt|kingcur: and unusual given that we have Muller playing here|pg||
mb|1H|mb|p|nt|andersk: Maybe HeHe's table can start 30 minutes after the other table next session:)|pg||
mb|1S|mb|p|nt|kingcur: 1@S relay|pg||
nt|andersk: what will be the contract here?|pg||
nt|andersk: My guess i 4 @H|pg||
nt|kingcur: anyone familiar with Tarzan is kindly invited to explain us the bids|pg||
nt|kit: clearly either 3NT or 4@H -- depends on what info South gets.|pg||
mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|andersk: Thats what I thought, @H suit too god to play 3 NT, @D lead might take away the only entry to make 3 NT|pg||
nt|kit: Neither contract will do very well on the bad red-suit splits.|pg||
pc|cA|nt|thorvald: What would you lead from East ?|pg||
nt|andersk: that was a very good lead|pg||
nt|kingcur:  7 was 9 to Netherlands, 2@S= NS in other room|pg||
pc|c3|pc|c4|nt|kit: hard to say what I would lead without knowing what the N-S sequence meant.|pg||
pc|c5|pg||
nt|kingcur: so, a nice reward for N's great double |pg||
pc|c2|pc|cK|pc|c8|pc|c9|pg||
nt|andersk: I think it had a small chanse with @D lead|pg||
nt|kingcur: N will have shown exact shape with 2NT, Kit|pg||
nt|kingcur: or the main part of it|pg||
nt|kit: likely now heart to queen, ace of hearts, ace of diamonds, spade to ace, and as many diamonds as he can run (not enough)|pg||
nt|andyv:  http://www.ecatsbridge.com/documents/files/cc/OpenTeams/Netherlands/muller-dewijs.PDF|pg||
nt|rhelle: 2NT shows a one-suited hand with short @d, by the way|pg||
nt|kingcur: meanwhile  8 was 6 to Monaco; they were in 5@D making|pg||
pc|h7|pc|h4|pc|hQ|pc|h5|pg||
pc|hA|pc|s4|pc|c6|pc|h6|pg||
pc|dA|pc|d2|nt|kit: If West has 4 diamonds, declarer would survive the bad heart split|pg||
pc|d5|pc|dT|pg||
pc|s3|pc|s5|pc|sA|pc|s2|pg||
pc|dK|pc|d7|pc|cT|pc|d3|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|h8|pc|s8|pc|d4|pg||
nt|thorvald: Even 3 would be enough|pg||
mc|9|nt|kit: right -- 3 would have been enough|pg||
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qx|c9|st||md|3SA97H7DKQJ65CK763,ST62HK9864DT7CJ84,SQ83HAQJT32DACT95,SKJ54H5D98432CAQ2|sv|e|nt|ahollan1: great guess from Nunes|pg||
nt|ahollan1: but if i was his partner  i would have had wrong shape in majors|pg||
mb|1H|nt|phil: 1-1 the other way? :P|pg||
nt|granguru:  For the very young Roman was developed by Giorgio Belladonna and Walter Avarelli. Viking precision was mainly Glenn Groetheim 's idea|pg||
nt|ahollan1: :)|pg||
mb|d|mb|r|mb|p|nt|phil: min 1@h opening right? |pg||
nt|ahollan1: Roman was fun to play   except 1N opener didn't come up often  [18-20]|pg||
nt|barnets: Hamman Zia also bid nd made 5@D for swing sweden lead by 3|pg||
nt|granguru:  1H! is unlimited 11-37|pg||
mb|p|nt|ahollan1: and ACBL outlawed most of the system|pg||
nt|granguru:  1@H|pg||
mb|1S|mb|d|mb|p|nt|granguru:  redouble 7+|pg||
nt|ahollan1: usually 14+  but could be weaker with @S|pg||
mb|2H|mb|p|nt|phil: with trump leads I think 1@s was in 500 land|pg||
nt|granguru:  11+ when 4@s there|pg||
mb|2S|nt|phil: maybe better without trump leads actually|pg||
nt|ahollan1: deWijs 4@H north|pg||
nt|barnets: n/s will play 3N|pg||
mb|p|mb|2N|nt|granguru:  Hamman passed 1@SX|pg||
nt|granguru:  and got 800|pg||
mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|peyret: nt is playing from right side.@S Dxx|pg||
pc|s4|nt|granguru:  Meckwell gave 1100 I am told|pg||
nt|phil: this lead will not hurt|pg||
pc|s7|pc|sT|pc|sQ|pg||
nt|barnets: Hamman passed Zias penalty x I think that is normal|pg||
nt|granguru:  declarer may get 2@s 2@h 4@d 1@C...if given time|pg||
nt|phil: 3@h|pg||
nt|granguru:  Meckwell was in 2@Sx after a multi opening bid|pg||
nt|barnets: IF Nunes X was penalty Fantono should have passed|pg||
nt|granguru:  or 3@H without a need for a @C trick..|pg||
nt|phil: Nunes double might show 2-3 spades|pg||
nt|barnets: so it was not like Zias X|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h5|pc|h7|pc|h8|pg||
pc|hQ|nt|phil: what's the modern thinking with pass over the redouble? Does it deny 4@s? Is it two places to play? |pg||
pc|c2|pc|c3|pc|hK|pg||
nt|barnets: it should deny 4@S yes|pg||
pc|s6|pc|s3|pc|sJ|nt|ahollan1: i vote with Barnet  just no obvious preference  [and 4@S IS strong pref]|pg||
nt|ahollan1: Barnet should be nervous with me taking his side|pg||
nt|barnets: :) never|pg||
pc|s9|pg||
nt|phil: if I had a bust with 4@s + a 5 card minor, I'd like to be able to offer some flexibility|pg||
pc|s5|pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s8|pg||
pc|d5|pc|d7|pc|dA|pc|d2|pg||
pc|hJ|nt|barnets: swing for Monaco|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|d6|pc|h4|pg||
nt|granguru:  over the specific opening of 1@H the xx was 6+HCP. But F-N probably upgraded to 7 or even 8 because opener could be very light if he has 4@S cards|pg||
pc|hT|nt|ahollan1: thru 11  Sweden lead over USA down to a mere 1   then after 12  USA +10|pg||
nt|phil: should be at the century mark after this board|pg||
pc|d3|nt|barnets: for better contract|pg||
nt|granguru:  specially for the cases where the opponents X does not promise @S suit|pg||
nt|ahollan1: thru 7  Poland over Italy by 24|pg||
mc|9|pg||
qx|o10|st||md|4S854HKQ8763DQ2CA5,S7632HJTD953CQJT7,SAKT9H942DKJ7CK93,SQJHA5DAT864C8642|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|rhelle: 1@s = GF relay|pg||
nt|kingcur: ah, we have  Tarzan expert now. Welcome to Rob Helle|pg||
nt|rhelle: 3@c = 3622 or 2722|pg||
mb|3C|mb|p|nt|rhelle: 3@d = relay|pg||
nt|rhelle: hi all|pg||
mb|4H|nt|kit: should be routine 4@H unless something goes very wrong in the auction.|pg||
nt|rhelle: but he's clearly heard enough, thinks slam is far away opposite 11-15 semi-balanced|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|c6|pc|c5|pg||
pc|h2|pc|h5|pc|hQ|pc|hT|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|d3|pc|d7|pc|dA|pg||
mc|11|pg||
qx|c10|st||md|4S854HKQ8763DQ2CA5,S7632HJTD953CQJT7,SAKT9H942DKJ7CK93,SQJHA5DAT864C8642|sv|b|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|nt|barnets: looks  flat board|pg||
mb|2S|nt|ahollan1: Russia over Ireland by 28|pg||
nt|granguru:  2@s asks for a minor|pg||
mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 2@H never 4+@S|pg||
mb|4H|nt|granguru:  is art and does not say nothing about @S|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|phil: quiet 4@h - go refill your coffee|pg||
pc|cQ|nt|granguru:  right. |pg||
nt|ahollan1: 2N = 6+@H  and i think denies 4@C/@D|pg||
pc|cK|nt|granguru:  2NT shows 6@H |pg||
pc|c2|pc|c5|pg||
pc|h2|nt|granguru:  no minor|pg||
pc|h5|pc|hK|pc|hT|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|d9|pc|d7|pc|d6|pg||
pc|d2|pc|d3|pc|dJ|pc|dA|pg||
pc|c4|pc|cA|pc|c7|pc|c3|pg||
pc|s4|pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|sJ|pg||
pc|h4|pc|hA|pc|h6|pc|hJ|pg||
nt|ahollan1: [bookmark this url]   link to running scores  under  http://www.worldbridge.org/tourn/Lille.12/microSite/Results.htm|pg||
mc|11|nt|granguru:  Sorry. 2NT denies only 4@D...does not say nothing about @cs|pg||
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qx|o11|st||md|1SQT973HQ4DKQJ5CA7,SAJ8HAJT873D83CQJ,S42HK96DA74C85432,SK65H52DT962CKT96|sv|o|nt|kingcur: from a spec at this table: Helness: 'interesting', all the others "not really":). next|pg||
mb|1S|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s4|nt|kit: South might have reopened -- you don't get rich defending at 2-level when short in their suit.|pg||
pc|s5|pc|s9|pc|sJ|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h6|pc|h2|pc|h4|pg||
pc|hJ|pc|hK|pc|h5|pc|hQ|pg||
pc|s2|pc|s6|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg||
pc|hT|pc|h9|pc|d2|pc|s3|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|c4|pc|cK|nt|kingcur:  9 Dutch Marion Michielsen succeeded in making 4@H: she got a @S lead|pg||
mc|9|pg||
qx|c11|st||md|1SQT973HQ4DKQJ5CA7,SAJ8HAJT873D83CQJ,S42HK96DA74C85432,SK65H52DT962CKT96|sv|o|nt|ahollan1: that's why i waffed Paul :)|pg||
nt|ahollan1: waffled|pg||
mb|1S|nt|ahollan1: having trouble with "l" key :(|pg||
mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|nt|granguru:  np I have problems with all of them|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 1@S forcing   usually 14+ but maybe weaker with 4+@H|pg||
nt|granguru:  what would you do ?|pg||
mb|d|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|nt|granguru:  partner might be expecting a X with long @H in his hand|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|granguru:  so Nunes Xd|pg||
pc|cQ|nt|granguru:  Fantoni just showed a minimum hand an min support|pg||
nt|granguru:  and*|pg||
nt|granguru:  might make...|pg||
nt|ahollan1: what does Fantoni need for DBL of 2@H?|pg||
nt|ahollan1: is that pure negative dbl  or just needs stronger hand?|pg||
pc|c2|pc|c6|pc|c7|pg||
nt|phil: seems like he needs to play a spade honor from hand|pg||
pc|cJ|pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|cA|pg||
pc|d5|pc|d3|pc|dA|pc|d2|pg||
pc|s2|pc|s5|pc|sT|pc|sJ|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h6|pc|h2|nt|phil: otherwise the defense will score 4@s + 1@c + 1@h|pg||
pc|h4|pg||
pc|h3|pc|h9|pc|h5|pc|hQ|pg||
nt|phil: I mean, playing up to the QT9 is fine too with two board entries|pg||
pc|sQ|pc|sA|pc|s4|pc|s6|pg||
nt|granguru:  S thinking on playing small or @SQ|pg||
nt|barnets: now trump promotion|pg||
nt|barnets: coming|pg||
nt|barnets: for down 1|pg||
nt|phil: oyes, true - very cool|pg||
nt|barnets: @H ruffed withK|pg||
nt|phil: and club through|pg||
nt|barnets: and a club|pg||
pc|h7|pc|hK|pc|sK|nt|barnets: if he led a low spade instead of Q he would have made it|pg||
pc|dJ|pg||
pc|cT|pc|s7|pc|s8|pc|c4|pg||
mc|7|nt|barnets: nice def|pg||
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qx|o12|st||md|2SA954HQ65DQJ32CQ2,SJ63HKJT83DA65CT7,SKT87HA9742DT8CA3,SQ2HDK974CKJ98654|sv|n|nt|kingcur: in the Women's QF vz France|pg||
mb|p|nt|kingcur: and more makes on @S lead, I'm hearing|pg||
mb|1H|mb|4C|nt|kingcur: your choice with this E hand?|pg||
nt|thorvald: Making the @CAce lead more impressive|pg||
nt|kit: 4@C looks fine to me|pg||
nt|kingcur: another nasty trump break here for NS|pg||
nt|kit: Now what can South do but bid 4@H, and West might have something to say about that.|pg||
nt|kingcur: yes, this time might get wacked in 4@H|pg||
mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kingcur: but NS do also have a normal splitting @S fit...that might play a lot better|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: I guess South could choose to pass -- sure would be winning decision|pg||
pc|d7|nt|kingcur: would you, Kit? Opp a 2nd hand red vz white 1@H opener?|pg||
pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|d8|pg||
nt|kit: I don't understand not doubling.  Is he that worried about them running somewhere on this auction?  Or does he think the double will let them make?|pg||
pc|cT|pc|cA|pc|c4|pc|c2|pg||
nt|kit: No, I would bid 4@H as South did.|pg||
pc|h2|pc|c8|pc|hQ|nt|kingcur: Ricco van Prooijen lead a @s to against 4@H  9: 10 to Monaco|pg||
nt|kingcur: too*|pg||
pc|hK|pg||
pc|c7|pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|cQ|pg||
nt|kingcur: it was 3NT there, sorry|pg||
nt|kingcur: 26-16 lead for Monaco now, 102-88 aggregate|pg||
pc|c5|pc|h5|pc|d6|pc|dT|pg||
nt|kit: East picturing a different situation on this hand|pg||
nt|brolucius:  Rob, what does 1@H - 1@S - 2NT show in the relay system?|pg||
pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|h4|pc|d4|pg||
pc|sK|pc|s2|pc|s4|pc|s3|pg||
pc|s7|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pc|s6|pg||
pc|dJ|mc|7|nt|rhelle: sorry all: it shows a 1-suiter with short in the middle suit, i.e. @d. So 3523, 3613, etc|pg||
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qx|c12|st||md|2SA954HQ65DQJ32CQ2,SJ63HKJT83DA65CT7,SKT87HA9742DT8CA3,SQ2HDK974CKJ98654|sv|n|mb|p|nt|barnets: they could not get the promotion then|pg||
mb|1H|nt|phil: I dont think so Barnet - West wins the @s8 and they make the A - K separately|pg||
mb|4C|nt|barnets: right|pg||
nt|barnets: you are|pg||
nt|phil: so is there a counter? I don't see one|pg||
nt|ahollan1: same 4@C in other room|pg||
mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c4|nt|granguru:  here is the case where NS open 11+|pg||
pc|cQ|nt|granguru:  instead of the usual 14+|pg||
pc|c7|pc|c3|pg||
nt|granguru:  bad moment to do it...|pg||
nt|barnets: West might risk a X guys surely|pg||
nt|barnets: if they make it bad luck|pg||
nt|granguru:  risking a 4@S takeoput|pg||
nt|phil: identical auction at the other table|pg||
nt|granguru:  takeout|pg||
nt|barnets: who is taking it out x is pen|pg||
nt|phil: after a preempt? Not for me|pg||
nt|barnets: 100 percent|pg||
nt|granguru:  NS could |pg||
nt|barnets: well if you think that way you will never X anything|pg||
nt|phil: on another layout where South has a lot of spades, he might guess to run, but here they would not|pg||
pc|c2|pc|cT|pc|cA|pc|c5|pg||
pc|h2|pc|c6|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pg||
pc|d6|pc|d8|pc|dK|pc|d2|pg||
nt|phil: running from high leveled contracts tends to be overrated anyway - many times your doubled opponents think, well I don't like this but other spots might be worse, so I'll take my ...|pg||
nt|phil: lumps. At lower levels that isnt as true|pg||
pc|d4|nt|barnets: USA by 11 over Sweden|pg||
pc|d3|pc|dA|pc|dT|pg||
pc|d5|pc|s7|pc|d7|pc|dJ|pg||
nt|granguru:  duck a @H?|pg||
nt|granguru:  if W plays @H10|pg||
nt|phil: of course declarer will generally play about a trick better if he's expecting bad splits, but when you are looking at a possible windfall, its worth it|pg||
pc|dQ|pc|s3|pc|sT|pc|d9|pg||
nt|granguru:  Now @S are all good|pg||
pc|h5|pc|hT|pc|hA|pc|c8|pg||
pc|sK|pc|s2|pc|s4|pc|s6|pg||
pc|s8|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pc|sJ|pg||
pc|h6|pc|h3|pc|h4|pc|c9|pg||
nt|phil: really nice|pg||
pc|s5|nt|barnets: http://www.worldbridge.org/tourn/Lille.12/microSite/Results.htm|pg||
mc|9|nt|barnets: here is the link for all the live scores|pg||
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qx|o13|st||md|3S8765HK3DJT94CA63,SAKQJ4HQ9D7653CJ7,S92HJT84DKQ8CKQ98,ST3HA7652DA2CT542|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|d|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dJ|pc|d3|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pg||
mc|7|pg||
qx|c13|st||md|3S8765HK3DJT94CA63,SAKQJ4HQ9D7653CJ7,S92HJT84DKQ8CKQ98,ST3HA7652DA2CT542|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|nt|barnets: Poland up by 25 v Italy Russia up by 28 v Ireland|pg||
mb|p|nt|granguru:  1NT in fantunes is 12-14 |pg||
mb|2S|nt|ahollan1: 4th seat only   2@S = 10-15 hcp  5+@S 4+@D|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|nt|granguru:  2@S in 4th position is usually 12-15|pg||
nt|ahollan1: should really be full opener rather than 10-15|pg||
mb|p|nt|barnets: trump lead ?|pg||
pc|cK|nt|granguru:  AND 6 cards...|pg||
pc|c2|nt|barnets: switch now trump|pg||
pc|c3|pc|c7|pg||
nt|granguru:  here They play @S+@D |pg||
nt|ahollan1: in 1st/2nd/3rd   EW open 1@D with 5+@S and 4+@D   and 2@S = natural weak 2   [a fluke in the system]|pg||
pc|s9|nt|barnets: looks like dec has only 7 tricks|pg||
pc|sT|pc|s5|pc|s4|pg||
nt|granguru:  So Fantoni tries to avoid @D ruffs|pg||
nt|granguru:  playing a trump now|pg||
pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|h9|pc|h4|pg||
nt|barnets: now a diamond|pg||
pc|dJ|pc|d3|pc|d8|pc|d2|pg||
nt|barnets: nice|pg||
nt|granguru:  excelent defense while @h is blocked|pg||
nt|barnets: good play too|pg||
nt|granguru:  but declarer had his countermeasure move|pg||
pc|s6|nt|barnets: now south has hobsons choice|pg||
nt|granguru:  ducking|pg||
mc|8|nt|barnets: good def but could not beat it|pg||
nt|phil: nice little tug of war of tempo there|pg||
nt|granguru:  Verhees play didnt permit defense to prevail...good play|pg||
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qx|o14|st||md|4SKQT985HT54DAJ4C7,SHKQJ8D86532CK532,SJ7432HA73DCAQJ84,SA6H962DKQT97CT96|sv|o|nt|kingcur: 3 to NL on  |pg||
mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|kingcur: Monaco, sorry, on  11|pg||
nt|kit: North will be very slam interested after the 1@S opening.|pg||
mb|1N|nt|rhelle: 1NT = GF relay|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: However, the heart lead, which will happen, ends slam chances.|pg||
mb|3H|nt|rhelle: 3@h = 6-3-3-1 precisely|pg||
mb|p|nt|kit: what can North discover at this point?|pg||
mb|3S|mb|p|nt|rhelle: everything :)|pg||
nt|kit: :)|pg||
nt|rhelle: 3@s is relay, asks for controls|pg||
mb|4C|mb|p|mb|4D|mb|d|nt|rhelle: 4@c = 3 controls; an ace and a king or 3 kings|pg||
nt|kit: Now North will be happy, as he will be expecting a diamond lead.|pg||
nt|rhelle: 4@d = relay; dbl gives them extra space|pg||
mb|4H|mb|p|nt|kingcur: with AKxxxx Kxx xxx K, this would be a great 7@S, so it's vital to locate honor cards of S hand...and Tarzan can do that|pg||
nt|rhelle: the have modified the relays a bit; I'm not sure what this exactly means|pg||
nt|kit: that would be more than 3 controls|pg||
nt|rhelle: no, no ... queens start to count as well|pg||
nt|rhelle: I think he shows @s and @d, and denies anything in @h|pg||
nt|rhelle: ive got to go ... Al, can you help out?|pg||
nt|rhelle: byer all|pg||
nt|kingcur: thx Rob!|pg||
nt|kit: I'm told 4@H shows 1 or 2 top spades, no top heart.|pg||
mb|6S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kingcur: De Wijs in the tank for several minutes already|pg||
nt|kit: Unfortunately for N-S, West has easy heart lead, and slam then has no real play.|pg||
nt|thorvald: Obey your partner or lead @HK|pg||
pc|hK|nt|kingcur: does he have more than the @C finesse here?|pg||
nt|kit: Partner's double of 4@D isn't a command -- it is a suggestion.|pg||
nt|kit: He doesn't have club finesse even|pg||
nt|kingcur: ah, heart lead settles that|pg||
nt|kingcur: was assuming @D lead, but W has some reason to disagree on that request|pg||
nt|kit: Even ruffing finesse in clubs won't help him here.|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h9|pc|h4|pg||
nt|kit: About all he can hope for is 6-1 heart split|pg||
nt|kingcur: Rob already mentioned they changed their system here. Maybe some misunderstanding then|pg||
nt|kit: I guess is an opponent has Kx in clubs and is void in spades|pg||
nt|kingcur: if S gave the correct info on his honor cards, N should know the slam was poor|pg||
nt|kit: I don't see anything else to play for|pg||
pc|cA|pc|c9|pc|c7|pc|c2|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|c6|nt|kit: Might as well play ace of clubs and ruff a club -- at least get 1 pitch now so down 1.|pg||
pc|h5|pc|cK|pg||
pc|hQ|mc|10|pg||
qx|c14|st||md|4SKQT985HT54DAJ4C7,SHKQJ8D86532CK532,SJ7432HA73DCAQJ84,SA6H962DKQT97CT96|sv|o|nt|phil: ducking when you have a stranded winner in dummy and Ax in a side suit where you need ruffs is a common theme|pg||
nt|granguru:  it is hard to earn 1IMP from these men|pg||
mb|p|nt|barnets: now is a chance n/s|pg||
mb|2S|mb|p|nt|barnets: very poor slam bid|pg||
nt|phil: I think 6 goes down on a heart lead doesnt it? |pg||
nt|granguru:  looks 6@s should be -1|pg||
nt|ahollan1: that's what happened in other room|pg||
nt|granguru:  it says -2|pg||
nt|phil: on a diamond it makes though|pg||
nt|ahollan1: and seems deWijs had the info to avoid slam|pg||
nt|barnets: what would you lead @HK or a diamond ?|pg||
nt|phil: hypotheticals Barnet....pointless hypotheticals :)|pg||
nt|granguru:  the ruffing finesse will produce -2|pg||
nt|fluff:  @H K seems obvious|pg||
nt|barnets: thats what I meant|pg||
mb|5S|nt|phil: well thats a big bid|pg||
nt|granguru:  A very unsual bid|pg||
nt|ahollan1: if it asks good trump  it could be winner|pg||
nt|cc469: ... wonder what it means?|pg||
nt|phil: whatever it asks for, I think Nunes has it|pg||
nt|barnets: on a heart lead you need west to have @SA sing and @CKXX or @CKX|pg||
nt|ahollan1: oh  West on lead --- never mind|pg||
nt|barnets: sorry cancel that|pg||
mb|p|mb|6S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|barnets: doesnt work any way|pg||
nt|granguru:  2/3 AKQ honors|pg||
pc|hQ|nt|barnets: cant take a club finesse|pg||
nt|granguru:  rusinow lead|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h9|pc|h4|pg||
pc|cA|nt|phil: it probably focuses on trump - sometimes a jump to 5M means - if you like your hand, go to 6; but there's slower routes to find out that information|pg||
pc|c6|pc|c7|pc|c2|pg||
pc|cQ|pc|c9|pc|hT|pc|cK|pg||
pc|hK|pc|h3|pc|h2|pc|h5|pg||
mc|10|pg||
qx|o15|st||md|1SAK52HK8DQJ4CJT98,SJT93HAQ32DK3CAQ6,S84HT64DAT9852C32,SQ76HJ975D76CK754|sv|n|mb|1N|an|12-15|mb|d|mb|2C!|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|d|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d7|pg||
pc|s4|pc|s7|pc|sK|pc|s3|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s9|pc|s8|pc|sQ|pg||
pc|s5|pc|sT|pc|h4|pc|s6|pg||
pc|d5|pc|d6|pc|dJ|pc|d3|pg||
pc|s2|pc|sJ|pc|hT|pc|hJ|pg||
pc|h9|pc|h8|pc|h2|pc|h6|pg||
pc|h5|pc|hK|mc|8|nt|kit: Nice try -- and would have succeeded if South had had jack of hearts.|pg||
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qx|c15|st||md|1SAK52HK8DQJ4CJT98,SJT93HAQ32DK3CAQ6,S84HT64DAT9852C32,SQ76HJ975D76CK754|sv|n|mb|1N|an|12-14|mb|d|nt|ahollan1: 12-14 |pg||
mb|2C|an|!d|nt|phil: Simon and Bauke are having a bad set, but some of the results have been duplicated here|pg||
mb|p|nt|granguru:  I think a little better line is to play @CA small @C ruff @DA (throwing a @H) @D ruff ...|pg||
mb|2D|mb|d|mb|p|mb|2H|nt|granguru:  then if @CK nor @DKQ doesnt fall @CQ|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i think deWijs had info to avoid that slam    he knew partner held 6331, 3 controls [A=2 K=1]  2 of top 3 @S and none of top 3 @H|pg||
mb|p|nt|ahollan1: and the do not count singleton King as a control|pg||
mb|3H|mb|p|mb|4H|nt|phil: on a good day, 4@h makes EW|pg||
mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|phil: today's not the day|pg||
pc|cJ|nt|ahollan1: the other room has completed play of this set/half|pg||
pc|c6|nt|barnets: has to be vey sunny|pg||
pc|c2|pc|cK|pg||
pc|h5|pc|h8|pc|hQ|pc|h4|pg||
pc|hA|pc|h6|pc|h7|pc|hK|pg||
pc|h2|pc|hT|pc|hJ|nt|barnets: Bocchi - Madala also bid 6@S down 2 in Poland v Italy|pg||
pc|s2|pg||
pc|d6|pc|dJ|pc|dK|pc|dA|pg||
mc|9|nt|barnets: http://www.worldbridge.org/tourn/Lille.12/microSite/Results.htm|pg||
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qx|o16|st||md|2SJ3HK954D7632CJ63,SQ64HA2DAQJTCAKT5,STH8763DK54CQ9872,SAK98752HQJTD98C4|sv|e|mb|2N|nt|kingcur: final board of today|pg||
nt|kit: And anothr slam hand|pg||
mb|p|mb|4D|nt|kingcur: thx to my fellow commentators, to all specs, to Bas our great VuGraph operator|pg||
mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|4N|mb|p|nt|kit: Question is will he bid a grand.  And if so, will he make it?|pg||
mb|5C|mb|p|mb|5N|nt|kingcur: we will resume this match tomorrow at 10.30 CET, see http://www.bridgebase.com/vugraph/schedule.php for local times|pg||
mb|p|mb|7S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kingcur: wow|pg||
nt|kit: If he gets nothing on the lead, looks like choice of finesses.|pg||
nt|bobholl: if trump finesse in @D you need only that :( so he'll do that|pg||
pc|h6|pc|hT|pc|h4|pc|h2|pg||
nt|kit: Well, that settles that|pg||
pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s4|pc|sT|pg||
mc|13|nt|Vugraphzay: Thanks all, we'll be back tomorrow at 10:30 AM|pg||
nt|kingcur: thx for watching this match; off to other room here|pg||
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qx|c16|st||md|2SJ3HK954D7632CJ63,SQ64HA2DAQJTCAKT5,STH8763DK54CQ9872,SAK98752HQJTD98C4|sv|e|nt|granguru:  can anybody figure out a better sequence to avoid 6@S?|pg||
nt|barnets: here is the link for all the scores in open womens and seniors|pg||
nt|ahollan1: USA over Sweden by 16  other matches still playing|pg||
mb|1C|an|strong|nt|phil: that seems completely dependent on your methods|pg||
nt|granguru:  probably 2@S 2NT asking side feature would have helped|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 16+ unbal or 18+ bal|pg||
mb|1N|an|!c!h or !s!d|nt|barnets: really ?|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 1N = CRASH  2 suits same shape|pg||
nt|barnets: wow --- nice|pg||
nt|phil: and theres a balance between finding out what partner has and telling the opponents what to lead against your slam or game|pg||
mb|2H|nt|phil: ending with a flourish|pg||
nt|ahollan1: 2@H = game force  5+@S|pg||
nt|granguru:  agree but at this level players rarely lead wrong...|pg||
nt|granguru:  even we have seen some great swings on slams and grands because of the right/wrong lead|pg||
mb|3D|mb|3S|mb|p|nt|ahollan1: 3@D pass/correct ???|pg||
mb|4C|nt|barnets: West played 7@S on a heart lead|pg||
nt|barnets: this took away all the guessing involved|pg||
nt|phil: note this isn't a great grand, but a heart lead solves your problems|pg||
mb|p|mb|4D|mb|p|nt|bobholl: than even aunt truus (dutch) makes it |pg||
nt|barnets: e/w  will do well to flatten board|pg||
nt|ahollan1: if i'm right about 3@D [pass/correct]  it does imply good @H support|pg||
nt|bobholl: they won't i fear|pg||
mb|5S|nt|barnets: at leat e/w have rightsided it|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i missed it   3@D could also be @D with better @C|pg||
nt|phil: and with North showing hearts and clubs, you'll get the diamond suit wrong|pg||
nt|ahollan1: not sure what 5@S asks/shows :(|pg||
nt|barnets: he thinks the @HK is offside on the bidding for sure|pg||
nt|bobholl: guess @H control asking|pg||
mb|p|nt|ahollan1: looking at the hand -- too good to signoff, nothing to cue|pg||
mb|6S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|phil: 13 more|pg||
nt|phil: Monaco's dinner will taste a little better tonight|pg||
pc|h3|pc|hQ|nt|barnets: H and H poweredinto 7 after  2N opener |pg||
pc|h4|pc|h2|pg||
mc|13|nt|barnets: when east bid 5n Helgemo just bid 7|pg||
nt|peyret: ty all |pg||
nt|barnets: tx all|pg||
nt|ahollan1: i waffled because wasn't sure if everything after 3@S was natural/cue|pg||
nt|barnets: cu tomorrow|pg||
nt|phil: thx see you tomorrow|pg||
nt|barnets: all matches are halfway|pg||
nt|ahollan1: strong showing from Monaco with their top lineup|pg||
nt|barnets: bye all specs al, phil, john|pg||
nt|phil: yep thanks guys|pg||
nt|granguru:  bye all and tks |pg||
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