vg|D EC 2011 Open Teams Swiss _,3_7,I,1,10,Patane,0,Monaco Z,0| rs|2SW=,1NS=,4HS=,4SWx-2,4SS+2,4SN+1,3NNx-1,4HN-2,4HNx+1,4HS+1,3NE=,3NE-4,4SE-2,4SE-2,3NN=,3DS=,3NW-1,3NW=,1HE=,2SW-1| pn|Manno,Helgemo,Lanzarotti,Helness,Zmudzinski,Caiti,Balicki,Pattacini|pg|| qx|o1|st||md|3ST65HKQ7DT43CKT73,SAK982H854DA7C842,SQ3HA932DQJ865CA5,SJ74HJT6DK92CQJ96|sv|o|nt|rcerreto: hi everybody|pg|| mb|1N!|mb|p|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|rcerreto: N could set after an unlikely A@c lead|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dK|pc|d3|pc|d7|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s5|pc|sA|pc|s3|pg|| pc|sK|pc|sQ|pc|s7|pc|s6|pg|| nt|rcerreto: with the normal @d lead, it's a make|pg|| pc|s2|pc|d5|pc|sJ|pc|sT|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d4|pc|dA|pc|d6|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cA|pc|c6|pc|c3|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d9|pc|dT|pc|s8|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c5|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h4|pc|h2|pc|h6|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h5|pc|h3|pc|hT|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h8|pc|hA|pc|hJ|pg|| mc|8|nt|fabsayc: hi spectators|pg|| nt|rcerreto: hi|pg|| pg|| qx|c1|st||md|3ST65HKQ7DT43CKT73,SAK982H854DA7C842,SQ3HA932DQJ865CA5,SJ74HJT6DK92CQJ96|sv|o|nt|peachy: team names are not right, but I guess we'll get there|pg|| mb|1D|nt|granguru: HI|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N|nt|pelu: hi|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|jcomyn: morning all|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sQ|pc|s4|pc|s5|pg|| pc|d5|nt|paulg: Results for the first match in the round-robin can be seen at http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/orrleaderb.html|pg|| nt|chmitty: Hi all|pg|| nt|peachy: Hi all, welcome back, This is Round 4 in the roundropbins, Open Teams. 15 groups of 8 teams each.|pg|| nt|peachy: 10 boards per match|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d4|nt|peachy: Current standings in each group after round 3: http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/orrleaderb.html|pg|| nt|chmitty: Zaleski currently leading his group|pg|| nt|peachy: Running scores in Round 4 (this round) http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/orrrunda4.html|pg|| pc|d7|pg|| nt|bernix: good morning and welcome everybody to round 3 of semifinal A of the European Open|pg|| pc|sJ|nt|granguru: finally we got to a std 3NT|pg|| nt|pelu: all card well placed = 12 tricks|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s8|pc|s3|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sT|pc|sK|pc|d6|pg|| nt|pelu: also 3Nt in OR|pg|| pc|sA|nt|granguru: funnily if opens the hand (1N) there is a good chance to arrive at 6@C|pg|| nt|paulg: could be worth a couple of imps if it is played by West in the other room|pg|| nt|chmitty: I must say that I never met the pair sitting EW ... not been introduced to Mister West nor Mister East|pg|| pc|d8|pc|c9|pc|c3|pg|| pc|s9|pc|dJ|pc|d2|nt|peachy: This will slide a couple off, but small gain for EW anyway, undoubled|pg|| pc|c7|pg|| mc|7|nt|bernix: so first blood to monaco|pg|| pg|| qx|c2|st||md|4S84HQ73DAKQ54CQ86,SAJ97632HKDJ6CKJ9,SKTHAJ9864D32CT54,SQ5HT52DT987CA732|sv|n|nt|granguru: not a good slam |pg|| nt|granguru: another potential slam here|pg|| nt|granguru: a better one thou|pg|| nt|pelu: only need to play @s-siut with no loser|pg|| nt|granguru: still it needs @s 2-2 or stiff honor in E and a good guess|pg|| nt|granguru: hi all|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D|mb|1S|nt|pelu: Hi all - as every time there are problems before the first match - players has to find the right table and so on|pg|| nt|chmitty: 3NT or 5@c both cold here|pg|| nt|chmitty: not an easy bid for North|pg|| nt|chmitty: Can our operator disclose the names of the players sitting EW ??|pg|| nt|chmitty: oh yes :)|pg|| nt|chmitty: ty|pg|| nt|peachy: He might go for the practical 3NT if this were MPs, not so sure IMPs|pg|| mb|2H|nt|pelu: not with odds - but better that a "Roland-slam"|pg|| nt|bernix: part score battle again. can NS buy it in 3@h ?|pg|| nt|danilo1: Hi all, gutten morgen Bernard|pg|| nt|bernix: hi danilo|pg|| mb|p|nt|paulg: Pleased to see that South has a name, but I think I'll stick with 'South'|pg|| nt|granguru: exchange black Q´s and it would have been a rock iron contract|pg|| mb|3H|nt|pelu: we begin with a possible slam|pg|| mb|3S|nt|pelu: Rodwell did open the N hand with 1NT???|pg|| nt|chmitty: Difficult for South to imagine he has so many defensive tricks !|pg|| nt|chmitty: Will North x now ?|pg|| nt|chmitty: Hope for him there was not too much of an hesitation behind the screen|pg|| nt|peachy: I think S might have doubled. Vul versus notvul, N had great expectations of making, the colors tell he was not preempting|pg|| nt|chmitty: I agree 100% Raija|pg|| mb|4H|nt|peachy: Hi John|pg|| mb|4S|nt|granguru: I would have done it if @CK|pg|| nt|paulg: i think many in the field will bid this one|pg|| nt|chmitty: he must protect the score of his pair|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|granguru: NICE TO see u again Raija |pg|| nt|granguru: 11 tricks|pg|| nt|peachy: Convention cards are not available so unfprtunately we cannot explain bidding|pg|| nt|granguru: at NT or any Moysean|pg|| nt|chmitty: Next door bidding started 2@s (E) 4@s ... NOrth thinking|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|nt|pelu: and I would open 1@D 100% (=4+@d)|pg|| nt|paulg: North has distribution and they have a lot of controls|pg|| nt|granguru: 4@C cue X @Cs|pg|| nt|granguru: N could have xx to show second round ctrl|pg|| nt|pelu: when N open 1Nt then Meckstroth has no slam ambitions|pg|| nt|pelu: RD = 1. round control|pg|| nt|granguru: but then it is more complicate to show @d ctrls|pg|| nt|granguru: RD is second if 4@C was first|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|pelu: @H-lead - 2x@s and @C finess|pg|| pc|d2|nt|pelu: ok that makes life easyer for dsecl|pg|| pc|d7|nt|granguru: If I would be forced to guess 1@C strong 1@S=4 ctrls 2N nat 19-21 3@D @C ctrl no @D ctrl|pg|| nt|bernix: phantom sac|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dJ|pg|| nt|paulg: It is much easier for us, but can South have less than this to make a slam try with no heart control?|pg|| nt|danilo1: ideal def. is - first @H for A, than @DK and third @D ... guess not easy for Adam now ... since North cann well be single @D |pg|| nt|bernix: but it doesn't matter if he cashes a 2nd @d before switching to hearts|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hK|nt|peachy: lots of work in 6NT, not impossible I think, but rather aggressive|pg|| nt|granguru: a passive lead is a must here|pg|| nt|peachy: I'm thinking E will lead club, that would be my choice|pg|| nt|granguru: it seems 3@d was nat as N went on to 6@d|pg|| nt|peachy: but I am not in Hurd's class of player so we'll see|pg|| nt|granguru: most passive is @D|pg|| nt|granguru: the @D10 is a critical card (not here thou) so W has 4 critical suits|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h2|pg|| pc|d3|nt|granguru: N S expects that @S dont behave...|pg|| pc|d8|nt|pelu: do u know players where cuebid are 1. control - to day 1. or 2.? back in the 50'es in US they only cuebid Aces - and lost to Italy every time :)|pg|| nt|peachy: that would have been my last choice of leads, Jxx nearly never right|pg|| nt|granguru: I am wrong E leads|pg|| pc|dA|nt|granguru: E has a clear @d lead|pg|| nt|chmitty: Versace will not escape 800 |pg|| pc|d6|pg|| pc|d5|nt|danilo1: excellent defense ... now even -2 possible |pg|| nt|bernix: caiti must use his only entry to dummy to finesse in @cs rather than @ss|pg|| nt|danilo1: did not matter for -1, I agree Bernard|pg|| nt|Walddk1: Operator, West is Caiti|pg|| pc|c9|pc|sT|pc|d9|pg|| nt|peachy: perhaps there is something in the bidding that we are not privvy to, which induced the spade lead|pg|| nt|peachy: To watch multiple tables, http://www.bridgebase.com/client/vugraph.php. Open a new window for each additional table.|pg|| pc|h4|nt|granguru: :) true|pg|| nt|granguru: second choice was @CJ|pg|| nt|granguru: immo|pg|| pc|h5|nt|granguru: MADE|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|s2|pg|| nt|chmitty: 5@c final contract open room|pg|| nt|peachy: or browser screen, whatever you call it :)|pg|| pc|cJ|nt|chmitty: Here it's a "fenêtre" lol|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cA|pc|c6|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s4|pc|s3|pc|sK|pg|| nt|danilo1: :)|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c3|st||md|1SAKQJHKT72DAT7C84,S2H9654DQ953CK972,ST6543HAQ8DJ62CA3,S987HJ3DK84CQJT65|sv|e|nt|rcerreto: here we are again|pg|| nt|brolucius: Jeffrey Allerton and Frances Hinden (who is playing at the other table) are a couple, and have won the prestigious Gold Cup (Britain's top knock-out) together.|pg|| nt|brolucius: So far as I know, Hinden has never played women's bridge. She is a top executive for an oil company.|pg|| nt|ralfwil: what do we know about their systems?|pg|| nt|brolucius: E/W were playing straightforward stuff against Russia. I assume that the French play the standard French system, near enough. It will be good kibitzing.|pg|| nt|granguru: but it is a good idea that the very first control is A (or KQ)|pg|| nt|pelu: no|pg|| nt|granguru: not vul sorry only 22!|pg|| nt|peachy: aah, by the end of tha match, maybe I learn some French by osmosis :)|pg|| nt|chmitty: and me some English|pg|| mb|1C|nt|chmitty: :)|pg|| mb|p|nt|chmitty: 2@d both majors ?|pg|| mb|1S|nt|chmitty: seems so|pg|| nt|peachy: Long time ago, we used to call those bids Polish two suiters, nowadays there are several variations and names for them|pg|| nt|peachy: Hungarian kib tells it is 5@h-4@s, or 4414 or 4405, 11-15HCP|pg|| mb|p|nt|granguru: would like to hear your arguments...I am open minded :)|pg|| nt|bernix: this looks like a run-of-the-mill 4@s to me|pg|| mb|2D|nt|chmitty: So Lauria will probably reject the option of double ... which could be effective in front of a @s lenght|pg|| mb|p|nt|granguru: kibz might enjoy an expert view on the matter|pg|| nt|paulg: I don't think cue bidding first and second round controls equally makes a huge difference to bidding slams, a lot of it still comes down to judgement|pg|| mb|3C|nt|paulg: i think the italians beat the americans so often because they had practised partnerships and better bidding methods|pg|| nt|granguru: being an expensive deparment players try to reduce judgement and increase accuracy|pg|| nt|granguru: good advice...on all contracts under 6NT|pg|| nt|peachy: There are no convention cards available for us (or anyone) so appreciate kib help in interpreting bids|pg|| mb|p|nt|bernix: 3@c sounds like maximum with 5-card suit doesnt it|pg|| nt|danilo1: thk NS play 1NT 15-17 (or at least did before) ... 1@C is choice I believe (agree, 6 controls, no soft values, hand better for suit contracts)|pg|| mb|3S|nt|granguru: agree paul|pg|| nt|paulg: this hand has another debatable point .. how do you break transfers?|pg|| nt|pelu: too difficult to start a cue bid if only A, a cue is an invitation for slam and often u will miss that - and bidding economy also tell u to start with the lovers cue bid|pg|| mb|p|nt|brolucius: Since there were so many small boards in the first half, I was hoping that all the spectacular stuff had been saved for the second half. False hopes...|pg|| nt|granguru: from 6NT on the strategy changes|pg|| mb|3N|nt|Walddk5: Welcome to Murat|pg|| nt|MolvaM: hello everyone :)|pg|| nt|pelu: 5 toptricks for defense, but not easy to take them|pg|| nt|paulg: i dislike showing a weak doubleton and telling them what to lead|pg|| nt|granguru: at top level players almost always lead the right card|pg|| mb|p|mb|4D|nt|granguru: so it is better to bid accurately|pg|| mb|p|nt|brolucius: East has found a strong lead.|pg|| mb|4H|nt|pelu: now 7 tricks for Tokay|pg|| nt|pelu: prob 3@C dont show about @Cs but only maxz and 3 card support|pg|| nt|paulg: but i approve of breaking the transfer with only 3-card support, when you are so suitable|pg|| nt|granguru: once hamman erred a gran slam lead...20 years the hand was appearing in the news|pg|| nt|peachy: running scores Round 3 (this round) http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/orrrunda3.html|pg|| mb|p|nt|granguru: And he used Judgement..with 2 aces he led the shortest one..(wrong)|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|nt|chmitty: Great decision by Lauria : 5@c would be at least 2 off when 4@h is down|pg|| nt|peachy: I did find a fairly recent card for EW http://www.archiviobridge.it/lauria-versace.pdf|pg|| mb|p|nt|MolvaM: running a long suit usually creates problems for the defence|pg|| nt|peachy: NS basic system is Strong Club|pg|| mb|p|pc|cQ|pc|c4|nt|brolucius: Now a club ruff will beat it.|pg|| nt|ralfwil: -1 with best defence. a @c switch now|pg|| nt|rcerreto: @h9 ?|pg|| nt|rcerreto: looks to ask for @d|pg|| nt|brolucius: Failing that, a trump misguess by declarer.|pg|| nt|ralfwil: and in that case possibilities to -2|pg|| nt|rcerreto: E isn't willing to ask for a @c switch, not knowing what partner has in @c I think|pg|| nt|brolucius: South was declarer, after a transfer response to 1@C, at the other table.|pg|| nt|brolucius: We thought, in the match against Russia, that they seemed to be playing reverse suit-preference. So, maybe she has asked for a club.|pg|| nt|ralfwil: But if there is any possibility to defeat, it must be a @c ruff by E. Declarer can have @sKQJ|pg|| nt|pelu: in CR EW missed the defense against 4@S - played by S: @H to K, @D to A Now @CK to A, @S to 8 and Q, @CJ to Q - but not @C again|pg|| pc|c7|nt|pelu: now 9|pg|| pc|cA|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s7|nt|pelu: well played by W - he set up a trap - and N fall in|pg|| nt|MolvaM: and looking happily for the 10th|pg|| nt|danilo1: 6@S is not good contract ... correct pass by Balicki ... |pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s2|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|c2|nt|granguru: looks that there is no way to win...no entry to dummy|pg|| nt|granguru: @DK ?|pg|| nt|peachy: There are 15 groups of 8 teams each, the top three (I think) will advance to the Swiss, from where top teams advance to KO etc|pg|| nt|peachy: This isnt quite making, I think|pg|| pc|s4|nt|granguru: what about small @d ?|pg|| pc|s8|pg|| pc|sA|nt|peachy: from each group|pg|| pc|d3|nt|brolucius: So the chance is missed.|pg|| pc|s5|nt|brolucius: Ralf's analysis is good. It does seem that a club switch was indicated.|pg|| pc|s9|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h4|pc|hA|nt|granguru: at 6NT the reason is not to give the 12th trick ...normally declarer coudnt find a suit to play...so usually no long suit..if 12 tricks there, there is nothing to lose...but if just 11 you must be carefull not to give 1 trick on the lead.|pg|| pc|hJ|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h3|nt|granguru: ans @s finesse--not @C|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h5|pg|| pc|h8|pc|c5|pc|hT|pc|h6|pg|| nt|bernix: maybe for other reasons than he thought of|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h9|nt|pelu: strange defense to duck @dJ |pg|| nt|granguru: made now|pg|| nt|paulg: no, he's down now|pg|| pc|c3|pc|d4|pg|| nt|bernix: endplay doesnt work because he lacks the @d8|pg|| mc|12|nt|granguru: y not enough trumps|pg|| pg|| qx|o4|st||md|2S9HAQ92DKQCAKT653,S84HKJT76DAJ85C42,SQ653H8543DT94CQ9,SAKJT72HD7632CJ87|sv|b|nt|marlowepi: serious lead problem against slam, only D lets it make|pg|| nt|rcerreto: yes|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|d|nt|rcerreto: dangerous board|pg|| nt|rcerreto: for NS|pg|| nt|rcerreto: @h are not behaving nicely|pg|| mb|p|nt|marlowepi: N may pass|pg|| nt|rcerreto: might, will he?|pg|| nt|rcerreto: it takes guts to pass|pg|| nt|marlowepi: please tell directors to stop tripping over the cables|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|nt|rcerreto: 3NT is way better than 4@h|pg|| nt|marlowepi: 3N also likely to fail|pg|| nt|rcerreto: yes|pg|| mb|p|nt|rcerreto: but undoubled, likely|pg|| mb|d|nt|rcerreto: no|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|marlowepi: at single dummy it does not look clear to me that 3N is better|pg|| nt|rcerreto: asking for a @h lead, maybe|pg|| nt|rcerreto: but...|pg|| nt|rcerreto: it's better because @h are 5-0 :)|pg|| nt|marlowepi: i dont think it asks for anything special|pg|| nt|marlowepi: both NS thought for a long time, so double has two ways to win|pg|| nt|rcerreto: switching the 8 and 9 of @s, on a @d lead defense would cash 7 tricks at once|pg|| mb|p|nt|marlowepi: exactly, that is why i said that 3N isnt better at single dummy|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d4|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s5|pc|sT|pc|s9|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dQ|nt|marlowepi: the double also helos the defense, because E knows 100% that W has heart king|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d9|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|c7|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c8|pc|cA|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cK|pc|h6|pc|h3|pc|cJ|pg|| nt|rcerreto: anyway, 8 tricks are there for the taking|pg|| pc|cT|pc|h7|pc|h4|pc|d6|pg|| pc|c6|pc|hT|pc|h5|pc|s2|pg|| pc|c5|pc|d8|pc|dT|pc|d7|pg|| pc|hA|pc|hJ|pc|h8|pc|s7|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|s3|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|s6|pc|sK|pc|h9|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pc|hQ|pg|| nt|marlowepi: spec suggested that N might hook W for club nine due to the double. unlikely because that very double marks him with the hearts|pg|| nt|cumino: There was also a problem to play @C after @S and @D in EAST|pg|| pg|| qx|c4|st||md|2S9HAQ92DKQCAKT653,S84HKJT76DAJ85C42,SQ653H8543DT94CQ9,SAKJT72HD7632CJ87|sv|b|nt|paulg: it was very tricky and I'm not sure he ever saw a line to make it. As I was struggling seeing all the hands, I'm not surprised really.|pg|| nt|granguru: garozzo had another saying..when you have a singleton, lead it...|pg|| nt|granguru: obviously at suit contracts|pg|| nt|peachy: It is one of his famous "Rules"|pg|| nt|granguru: in general, it made life easier for the defense...if you didnt lead a singleton..you didnt have it...|pg|| nt|peachy: Another one of Garozzo's: "Must have a very good reason for not leading trump"|pg|| nt|danilo1: he knows that pd must have very good @S + need @HK + more than just A in @D ... if all this, Adam would not bid 4@S over 4@H|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|2S|nt|rcerreto: openings are getting lighter and lighter, these days|pg|| nt|paulg: his line did have a lot of play|pg|| mb|d|nt|granguru: well if @H behave he could have made it..but that would have mean @S were also 1-1 and the line should have been different|pg|| mb|p|mb|2N|nt|pelu: top-players dont like the @d-suit :)|pg|| nt|chmitty: 2@d must be relay for clarification, and 3@c shows no major probably|pg|| nt|chmitty: Will south bid 3NT with 3 small spades ?|pg|| mb|p|nt|peachy: 2C prob Precision style, 5-6 clubs with possible 4-card major|pg|| mb|3C|nt|rcerreto: tough lead|pg|| nt|rcerreto: nothing appeals, @d looks normal|pg|| nt|MolvaM: I know about 3700 people who would bid 2nt with east hand|pg|| nt|granguru: as I said at the beginning ..probably @S finesse instead of a @C|pg|| mb|p|nt|pelu: Mahaffey won the first match 17-13 against a team from Romania (with Bocchi-Maddala!?), Aspe lost 10-20 to a strong team from England|pg|| nt|granguru: panski plays 4@H here|pg|| mb|3H|nt|rcerreto: leading the longest suit is always an option|pg|| mb|p|nt|peachy: good contract|pg|| nt|chmitty: 3@c more precise : no major and only one stopper ... South assumes the stopper is @s :)|pg|| nt|danilo1: 3@H is I guess 3NT try ... Cezary knows how valid is @CQ|pg|| mb|4H|nt|paulg: Bocchi-Madala are playing for Lavazza in another group, whatever the results page says|pg|| nt|vugraphplb: there is a little misunderstanding after explanation|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|vugraphplb: we have to wait for director decision in board 22|pg|| mb|p|nt|rcerreto: David, would you lead small or an honour?|pg|| nt|chmitty: well bid|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s9|nt|pelu: if 1Nt = 12-14 I know as mynu who would pass - 12-14 + 10 = 22-24 and no spec fit|pg|| nt|Walddk5: Welcome to our second Murat, Anter|pg|| pc|s4|nt|MolvaM: the results page is here http://www.poznan2011.pl/results but since the event just started there is nothing in so far|pg|| pc|s3|pg|| nt|granguru: madala's father was the greatest VUGRAPH comentator of all times...a full show|pg|| nt|danilo1: ... bidding also looks like Lebensohn too - so one or another ... now in 4@H|pg|| pc|d6|pc|dK|pc|dA|nt|granguru: bridge rama at the time|pg|| pc|d4|pg|| nt|rcerreto: Ralf?|pg|| nt|danilo1: Polish Specs confirming Lebensohl|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d9|nt|dburn: I guess I would lead low - some danger of a blockage if partner has @dJx, for example|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dQ|pg|| nt|brolucius: I am in the middle of writing a book that involves computer analysis of opening leads. We have found that leading the top honour is generally right.|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h6|nt|granguru: .|pg|| nt|granguru: In board 22 the 3@D bid inhibited Hurd to lead the suit|pg|| nt|granguru: now claiming, for sure|pg|| pc|h3|pc|s7|pg|| nt|brolucius: More often than the old text-books suggest.|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c2|nt|ralfwil: an honour, if dummy has a middle @d|pg|| nt|rcerreto: computer analysis could change several paradigms|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|MolvaM: 3nt could be reached on this board in the open room|pg|| nt|paulg: i'm sure they'll fix the team lineups on the results pages quickly, they have been very efficient|pg|| nt|granguru: as for garozzo's saying ..it must have been under specific circumstsnces...such as a 7-level suit contract, or 2. a cross-ruff hand type|pg|| pc|c7|pg|| pc|c9|nt|chmitty: hummm ... did not see the @d Jack fall on the ace ?|pg|| nt|danilo1: interestig ... 3NT Dbled in OR, and here, 4@H not Dbled ... realy surprising (South is player with good Hearts)|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cA|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cK|mc|8|pg|| qx|o5|st||md|3S4HT5432DAQ76532C,SKQ87HQ98DT9CQT42,SAJ52HAJ7D84CK953,ST963HK6DKJCAJ876|sv|n|mb|1N!|mb|2D!|nt|rcerreto: anyone who knows what's 2@D?|pg|| nt|rcerreto: ok, we are all guessing :)|pg|| nt|marlowepi: maybe spades and longer minor|pg|| nt|rcerreto: yeslek is getting more votes|pg|| mb|p|nt|marlowepi: possibly that hand or both majors|pg|| nt|rcerreto: 4M + longer minor|pg|| mb|3H!|nt|rcerreto: someone says 4@s and a longer side suit|pg|| mb|p|nt|marlowepi: i see the longer minor and the vulnerability. still looking for the major:)|pg|| mb|3N|nt|rcerreto: operator, you sure?|pg|| nt|rcerreto: did S pass?|pg|| nt|marlowepi: spec says 2D = hearts or the hand we have been guessing|pg|| nt|vugraphplE: yes I'm sure|pg|| mb|4D|nt|rcerreto: ok, thanks|pg|| mb|p|nt|rcerreto: anyone bidding and the one with a 7-5 was not|pg|| nt|rcerreto: funny, isn't it?|pg|| nt|marlowepi: NS have 6D double dummy|pg|| nt|marlowepi: hard to reach 4H now, but 5D certainly possible|pg|| nt|rcerreto: looking at W's 3@h which is apparently pass-or-correct|pg|| nt|cumino: On the other room Board 4 4@H not doubled|pg|| nt|rcerreto: I'd guess 2@d showed one major and therefore a minor onside|pg|| nt|rcerreto: just guessing though|pg|| nt|rcerreto: thanks to all the specs who are trying to help|pg|| nt|rcerreto: we didn't get a consensus over 2@d though|pg|| nt|cumino: Lanzarotti knows Partner has @D and a M due to previous pass|pg|| nt|rcerreto: N is surely puzzled by S's bidding|pg|| mb|4H|mb|d|nt|rcerreto: I've been also told that, in Norway, 2@d is played as either @h or 4@s and a longer minor|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|marlowepi: E seems to have taken the 3H bid a bit too seriously|pg|| pc|s6|nt|marlowepi: but the double will probably gain a heart trick|pg|| nt|rcerreto: we don't know what H-H explained at the table|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg|| nt|marlowepi: declarer now likely to play small to the jack, instead of the ten run |pg|| nt|rcerreto: then it's difficult to comment N-S bidding|pg|| pc|d4|nt|marlowepi: that only makes a difference to the number of overtricks though|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|dQ|pc|d9|pg|| nt|rcerreto: which got to a good contract anyway|pg|| nt|toral5: hello everyone|pg|| nt|marlowepi: hi there|pg|| nt|rcerreto: ok, on HH conv card 2@d is either long @h OR 4@s and a longer minor|pg|| nt|toral5: whr do we get the live scores?|pg|| nt|vugraphplE: live scores http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/oswleaderb.html|pg|| nt|rcerreto: N should know that E has @s and @c|pg|| nt|toral5: ok.|pg|| nt|rcerreto: likely 2@d |pg|| nt|marlowepi: i am surprised E did not play D king|pg|| nt|rcerreto: true|pg|| pc|dA|pc|dT|pc|d8|pc|dK|pg|| pc|h2|nt|marlowepi: once he shows up with 2 diamonds, S should get the hearts right|pg|| pc|h8|nt|marlowepi: but somehow he didnt anyway|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h6|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hK|pc|h3|pc|h9|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c5|st||md|3S4HT5432DAQ76532C,SKQ87HQ98DT9CQT42,SAJ52HAJ7D84CK953,ST963HK6DKJCAJ876|sv|n|nt|brolucius: We did not mention that Cronier's 3NT was rather bold. Most would bid 2NT and a (very) few might bid 1NT.|pg|| nt|rcerreto: true|pg|| nt|rcerreto: well judged|pg|| nt|ralfwil: but he needed @dJ on dummy|pg|| nt|granguru: or 3. very low level, doubled contracts|pg|| mb|1C|mb|p|nt|chmitty: next anyhow|pg|| mb|1H|nt|pelu: ok NS play transfer over 1@c|pg|| nt|peachy: This is what commentator slang calls "coffee hand". No problems, everyone go refill your drink of choice|pg|| mb|p|nt|rcerreto: that's why she bid 3 :)|pg|| nt|brolucius: Maybe 2@D?|pg|| mb|1S|nt|ralfwil: how many @s from W? I vote for 3@s|pg|| nt|paulg: i expect double shows the majors|pg|| nt|pelu: nice play to get 7 tricks in 2@c|pg|| nt|peachy: There certainly are very good reasons not to lead trump, but if one cant find one, then...trump|pg|| nt|granguru: aaah yes|pg|| mb|p|nt|rcerreto: a good partner has the J|pg|| nt|vugraphplb: http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/oswleaderb.html|pg|| mb|2C|an| |nt|rcerreto: oops, sorry|pg|| nt|rcerreto: he bid|pg|| nt|ralfwil: anyone with me?|pg|| nt|rcerreto: with 2@d?|pg|| nt|brolucius: Closer to 3@S than 1@S, perhaps.|pg|| nt|rcerreto: 1@s looks a little timid to me|pg|| nt|pelu: strange take out X by Baldurson|pg|| mb|p|nt|ralfwil: a 6-card suit @hK and a stiff @d|pg|| nt|brolucius: Spade game needs to be bid.|pg|| nt|rcerreto: good sacrifice in 5@d|pg|| nt|MolvaM: so 1@s probably shows 3 card spades?|pg|| nt|pelu: sorry - prob support x in @H|pg|| mb|2D|nt|brolucius: I don't know that 1@H was right when East had indicated the majors.|pg|| nt|rcerreto: maybe it was also meant to show real @c|pg|| nt|rcerreto: unsure though|pg|| nt|ralfwil: 3@h is for me a strong 3@s rise and an invite to 4@s|pg|| nt|MolvaM: and baldurson dbl is kind of a support dbl?|pg|| nt|pelu: ok he was down 2 - but recived a gift|pg|| nt|danilo1: interested in choice what/how to bid by South (1@C Polish, most often 12-14 BAL) |pg|| mb|p|nt|brolucius: Allerton may have misread 3@H but East can correct.|pg|| nt|brolucius: Anyway, this is the sort of board we were looking for, after so much drab stuff.|pg|| nt|rcerreto: he has a pretty good hand, in context|pg|| nt|ralfwil: but you agree with the strong rise David?|pg|| nt|peachy: Strong 1C, probable 0-7 or some such 1D|pg|| mb|3D|nt|granguru: under this premise I agree fully..the same philosophy of the 6NT lead..dont give tricks away to declarer on the initial lead.|pg|| nt|granguru: when you have points in all side suits normally declarer has a solid trump suit...|pg|| mb|p|nt|brolucius: Presumably intended as that. Since 1@S shows very little, as I see it, East might also consider 3@S.|pg|| nt|ralfwil: but the best with this bidding is that W has shown his @h honour|pg|| nt|rcerreto: maybe their standard for free bids is higher than yours and mine|pg|| nt|danilo1: 2@C may be @D transfer, or kind of asking - if so 2@D may just show min.|pg|| nt|Walddk1: Welcome to Richard Bley|pg|| nt|riccho: Good Morning everyone :) |pg|| nt|danilo1: Hi Richard|pg|| mb|3H|mb|p|nt|pelu: Easr didnt read the X from West as @hs|pg|| nt|pelu: saved by S|pg|| nt|murat: good afternoon all :)|pg|| nt|pelu: wellcome now we hace 2 x Murat :)|pg|| mb|4H|nt|brolucius: Although we may quibble with the odd bid or two, it seems that the players have judged it very well around the table. |pg|| nt|rcerreto: anyway, they succeeded in bidding the par|pg|| nt|brolucius: The term 'free bid' was responsible for a lot of awful bidding many decades ago.|pg|| nt|murat: guess one of the most common names of Turkey :)|pg|| mb|p|nt|rcerreto: in a difficult board|pg|| nt|rcerreto: yes, indeed|pg|| nt|granguru: ! both players are a bit exaggerating their hands|pg|| pc|s6|nt|peachy: Not knowing their system, North's Pass might have included better hands, and wek hands run immediately via Rdbl, that is one way of playing|pg|| nt|danilo1: not sure how obvious is 3NT by East ... he is min, and 2 open suits ... OK, has 3 tens and 5-card @C ... still|pg|| nt|riccho: now decl has 9 tricks in his bag. I c no other option than to play for @c to be 3-3 (or Hx somewhere). |pg|| nt|danilo1: wrong lead .... and big diff. |pg|| pc|s9|nt|brolucius: Obviously East had read West for a much better hand than he holds.|pg|| pc|s7|nt|ralfwil: and I can´t see why...|pg|| pc|sK|pg|| nt|riccho: E needs 33 in @c without alternative, because due to communication problems he has to duck @c immediately |pg|| pc|sA|pc|s8|nt|brolucius: Such a shame to lose IMPs unnecessarily when there are so many other ways of losing IMPs.|pg|| nt|rcerreto: could W consider his hand balanced?|pg|| nt|rcerreto: then open 1NT (or rebidding, if 1NT is weak)?|pg|| nt|brolucius: 3@C was presumably non-forcing, so it is hard to see how East had enough to look for an 11-trick game.|pg|| nt|granguru: well he treated the hand as a croos ruffing type|pg|| nt|granguru: and protected potential @d tricks|pg|| nt|peachy: Protected diamond tricks I think|pg|| pc|sT|nt|ralfwil: If 1@s is´nt spades, 1nt from W looks normal for me |pg|| nt|murat: 9 tricks i guess|pg|| pc|s3|pg|| pc|cT|nt|danilo1: ideal def. is I guess -3 ... now making .. @SAK and small @C|pg|| pc|c3|nt|granguru: now he is not so sure anymore....|pg|| nt|chmitty: yep ... may be here they are in some "hole" of their system|pg|| pc|c2|nt|peachy: Although, 2D foes not necessarily promise 4+ diamonds|pg|| pc|cQ|pg|| nt|peachy: In my opinion, the range 12-16 is susceptible to trouble at some point|pg|| nt|peachy: kib says my suggeswted method is common in Hungary, but we still dont know if NS play that way|pg|| nt|riccho: with 23 HCP and no fit you have to be lucky to succeed in 3NT... |pg|| nt|danilo1: wrong = unlucky (lead) |pg|| pc|c8|pc|c9|nt|granguru: as we see, he changed his mind but fortunatelly N had a @S left|pg|| nt|peachy: if EW play 2/1 (which I do not know if they do)|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c7|pg|| nt|danilo1: waw :)|pg|| nt|riccho: leading and slam bidding are the most expensive parts of team playing. This is another proof of that... |pg|| nt|danilo1: did he really believe that Cezary would play @C from Jxx?|pg|| nt|riccho: declarer - much to his discomfort - found another way of handling the @c suit|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h3|pc|hQ|nt|MolvaM: I was asked twice the question "what are these people doing here" :) probably looking at the strane flag combinations|pg|| nt|MolvaM: this is the European Opan Championship|pg|| nt|MolvaM: Open|pg|| nt|granguru: excelent defense after all|pg|| pc|h2|pg|| nt|danilo1: Adam will resolve problem ... if declar would have @HK, he will not be in hurry with @S unblock|pg|| nt|riccho: decl may have trusted the length signal from S (it it was one...). Doesn´t he know Balicki - Zmudzinski then? |pg|| pc|s4|pc|d7|pc|s5|nt|pelu: very nice defense|pg|| pc|sJ|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|c5|nt|granguru: declarer can lose 4 more tricks now|pg|| nt|granguru: for down THREE|pg|| pc|d4|nt|granguru: panski wished he would have been in dummy now|pg|| pc|s2|pg|| nt|chmitty: As usual, Lauria "manipulates" his cards for his best benefit and will claim 8 tricks|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d8|pc|dT|nt|brolucius: Going two down may make it seem a bit less of a disappointment.|pg|| pc|dA|pg|| nt|granguru: @Sq is a killer|pg|| pc|h9|nt|riccho: you dont only have to be lucky, but you should know when you are |pg|| pc|h6|nt|peachy: right, play trump and get those kiddies off the street, rest easy|pg|| pc|hK|nt|granguru: was not bad |pg|| nt|granguru: so it was a discard after all|pg|| nt|Walddk1: http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/oswrunda3.html|pg|| pc|hT|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hJ|pc|c6|pc|hA|pg|| nt|peachy: Back to down 1, S will be endplayed in S|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dQ|pc|c4|pc|d5|pg|| pc|h7|pc|cA|pc|d6|pc|d9|pg|| pc|h8|pc|cK|pc|dK|pc|dJ|pg|| pg|| qx|o7|st||md|1S2HAKJTDT853CQ652,SAT86HQ5DK42CJ743,S9754H8432DJ76CA9,SKQJ3H976DAQ9CKT8|sv|b|nt|Walddk8: http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/oswrunda3.html|pg|| nt|cumino: only @H lead |pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|nt|rcerreto: running scores aren't working today, or is it just me?|pg|| nt|marlowepi: you arent working???|pg|| nt|rcerreto: I am, hopefully! :)|pg|| mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|nt|rcerreto: ok, they are back now|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hA|pc|h5|pc|h2|pc|h7|pg|| nt|rcerreto: this should be -1|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hQ|pc|h3|pc|h9|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|sT|pc|h4|pc|h6|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cA|pc|c8|pc|c2|pg|| nt|cumino: may be -2 if play as i think club an A and club|pg|| pc|c9|nt|rcerreto: yes|pg|| pc|cT|nt|marlowepi: anticipated swing on previous hand came in far huger than expected, and without a heart lead !|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c4|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c7|pc|s4|pc|cK|pg|| mc|8|nt|rcerreto: 3NT -4 ?|pg|| pg|| qx|c7|st||md|1S2HAKJTDT853CQ652,SAT86HQ5DK42CJ743,S9754H8432DJ76CA9,SKQJ3H976DAQ9CKT8|sv|b|nt|ralfwil: a wise man told me once - don´t take gifts, so @dK should be played to follow his advise|pg|| nt|brolucius: FIFA do not follow that advice.|pg|| nt|MolvaM: so there is no restriction in countries and anybody can play with anybody from any country|pg|| nt|MolvaM: totally open event|pg|| nt|MolvaM: and even though its a European event, its open to people from other continents|pg|| nt|riccho: -400 instead of +600 ... urks|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|granguru: S should have played a @H at trick 4 in tha last hand|pg|| nt|peachy: Nort upgraded this to Strong 16+ 1C|pg|| mb|1N|nt|chmitty: we can imagine NS will reach 4@s|pg|| nt|danilo1: well, ideal (double Dummy def.) was @H lead for !Q, @D back, and @H ... since @D block later ... -3 .. but NS foudnd way for -4 :)|pg|| mb|p|nt|peachy: I qm surprised at 1C|pg|| mb|2C|nt|paulg: 3@h is the probably the value bid for Mahaffey, but many just put 4@h on the table and make it the opponents' problem|pg|| nt|pelu: East for sure dont like his hand after 2@D overcall|pg|| nt|chmitty: Many will open 4@s in this position|pg|| mb|p|mb|2S|nt|paulg: South will pass, probably needs a fourth spade to double|pg|| mb|p|nt|brolucius: Some might play a weak-strong 2NT on the East cards, to differentiate between strong and distributional 3@D hands.|pg|| nt|pelu: what a lead - but he will have a new chance later|pg|| nt|riccho: heh|pg|| mb|4S|nt|rcerreto: no way to play trumps from N|pg|| nt|rcerreto: then it should make|pg|| nt|murat: anybody dbl with east hand ?|pg|| nt|peachy: Molenaar must have at least thought of balancing|pg|| nt|granguru: leslie amoils is a canadian player...wonder why she has the USA flag here|pg|| mb|p|nt|rcerreto: even misguessing @d|pg|| nt|MolvaM: not me|pg|| nt|murat: i mean after 4@h|pg|| nt|pelu: no|pg|| nt|paulg: standard Polish lead, second highest from three|pg|| nt|granguru: @SQ9 big helpers|pg|| nt|chmitty: let's see if declarer finds the way to 10 tricks|pg|| nt|chmitty: a @c at trick 2 would reveal most of the layout|pg|| nt|chmitty: North can see that East does not hold AK or KDJ @c|pg|| nt|chmitty: and not QJ@h either|pg|| mb|p|nt|peachy: Plenty to think about before playing trick 1|pg|| mb|p|nt|rcerreto: oops|pg|| nt|rcerreto: they found the way|pg|| nt|Walddk3: Both losing semifinalists are awarded bronze medals. There is no playoff for third place (a good decision in my view)|pg|| nt|brolucius: East hoping for a heart ruff.|pg|| nt|rcerreto: yes, 3rd-4th place finals are dull|pg|| nt|brolucius: But neither team has a bronze medal in their sights at this moment.|pg|| nt|rcerreto: winning A and playing a @h back would have forced S to play trumps but...|pg|| pc|hA|nt|rcerreto: this way has a chance to discard a @h on @s|pg|| nt|pelu: why sh he X?|pg|| pc|h5|nt|rcerreto: a very good chance now|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h7|pg|| pc|hK|nt|MolvaM: looks like 4 losers but declarer will still look for an endplay to get rid of the@s loser|pg|| nt|murat: for a save or for some money|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h3|nt|riccho: another time to misguess sth for E here. Difficult to be right here after u mangled a hand like the one before. will be interesting to c if E is still inspired enought|pg|| pc|h9|pg|| nt|pelu: score now 13-1 for Lavazza|pg|| nt|chmitty: is this the actual play ????|pg|| nt|peachy: Declarer does not know that DA drops doubleton, he took a chance that E lead from QJxxx|pg|| nt|danilo1: another case for invitational bid ... and pass ... especiall when playing vs. excellent defenders ... |pg|| nt|riccho: he should do it right anyway: S didnt open but showed @hAK now|pg|| nt|danilo1: this will go down much easier (unf. also less :))|pg|| pc|hT|pc|sT|pc|h4|pc|h6|pg|| nt|granguru: Leslie should be Les Amoils, male, lived in South Africa before coming to Canada|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cA|pc|c8|nt|pelu: @s4 sh ask for @c|pg|| nt|riccho: yes u are right|pg|| pc|c2|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cT|pc|cQ|nt|granguru: probably with USA flag because Kamil's team is register as such|pg|| pc|c4|pg|| nt|brolucius: 2NT was just made on the deal where E/W went two down in 4@C, so 8 IMPs to Zimmermann.|pg|| nt|pelu: that a DD analyse|pg|| nt|danilo1: still ... -2 |pg|| mc|8|nt|riccho: Helgemo helness agreed with the bidding in bd 6 (but not in the play: +14 imps for monaco z)|pg|| pg|| qx|o8|st||md|2SQT8H74DKQJ732CQ2,SA52HQT985D5C9875,SK3HAJ62DT64CAJT6,SJ9764HK3DA98CK43|sv|o|nt|marlowepi: same spade lead, another spade honor, and again ten of clubs to N. but now balicki just played back a club and E decided to play him for both honors, downb four:)|pg|| mb|p|mb|1N!|mb|p|nt|rcerreto: ouch!!|pg|| mb|2N!|mb|p|nt|marlowepi: presumably he was influenced by S not hitching as he followed small to first club|pg|| mb|3C!|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s4|pc|s8|pc|sA|pc|s3|pg|| nt|rcerreto: @h10 now?|pg|| nt|rcerreto: or just a @s back?|pg|| nt|cumino: @C|pg|| nt|marlowepi: club|pg|| nt|rcerreto: it would work but I'm not betting on a @c return|pg|| nt|marlowepi: W knows N does not have both top clubs, so the game is to take out dummy's entry|pg|| nt|cumino: I doubt he will play @H too much cards not entry. May be spade he will play|pg|| nt|rcerreto: any reason why partner can't have @sK?|pg|| pc|hT|nt|marlowepi: N should probably have unblocked S king as E is marked with the jack at trick one|pg|| nt|cumino: wrong|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h4|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d8|pc|d2|pc|d5|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s6|pc|sT|pc|s2|pg|| pc|d4|nt|rcerreto: right|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dK|nt|rcerreto: cashing K@s I mean|pg|| nt|rcerreto: E will be forced to give dummy an entry|pg|| nt|marlowepi: i was talking about trick one, not cashing it|pg|| pc|s5|pg|| nt|rcerreto: yes, I know|pg|| nt|rcerreto: and I agree with you|pg|| nt|rcerreto: thinking about a @c finesse?|pg|| nt|rcerreto: that would add up just to 8 I think|pg|| nt|rcerreto: ah yes, he could finesse in @c and *then* playing a @d|pg|| nt|rcerreto: after having removed E's @c|pg|| nt|rcerreto: E would then be forced to play @s to dummy|pg|| nt|rcerreto: any line seems to need a blockage in @h|pg|| nt|cumino: small club works Q doesn't|pg|| nt|rcerreto: if he plays for the finesse, he plays the Q I think|pg|| nt|rcerreto: he needs to draw 3 rounds|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|h5|pc|d6|pc|dA|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h7|pc|h8|nt|rcerreto: winning choice|pg|| pc|h2|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sQ|pc|c5|pc|c6|pg|| mc|9|nt|rcerreto: playing the @c finesse (with the Q) would have failed|pg|| pg|| qx|c8|st||md|2SQT8H74DKQJ732CQ2,SA52HQT985D5C9875,SK3HAJ62DT64CAJT6,SJ9764HK3DA98CK43|sv|o|nt|rcerreto: anyway, she guessed @d right|pg|| nt|brolucius: All plus scores gratefully received.|pg|| nt|rcerreto: it was just a matter of overtricks then|pg|| nt|Walddk3: Can you stand another nail-biter, David?|pg|| nt|brolucius: Yes, I have taken my pills.|pg|| nt|pelu: sorru on East|pg|| nt|granguru: panski is trying to cash all defensive tricks bfore it is too late|pg|| nt|chmitty: a nice "challenge the champs" deal here|pg|| nt|chmitty: 7@h = 20/20|pg|| mb|p|nt|peachy: Kamil's team is listed as transnational, not USA, in the event|pg|| mb|1C|nt|granguru: S multi 2@D|pg|| nt|paulg: good result for Meckwell in the other room (probably not the last time we'll say that in this championship)|pg|| mb|1S|nt|paulg: I've noticed many pairs treat the Multi 2@d as weak with spades when it comes to their 2nd seat defence|pg|| nt|pelu: and 5@H close to make on a small @S-lead |pg|| nt|paulg: it's rare to see that in the UK, but would work here|pg|| nt|paulg: 3@h from North?|pg|| mb|2D|nt|Walddk3: No credit for my hy-phen?|pg|| nt|pelu: for D = balanced 12-15 or any 16+|pg|| nt|pelu: for me|pg|| nt|granguru: Amoil played for SA in the world teams in bermuda 2000 |pg|| nt|peachy: really light third-seater here|pg|| nt|vugraphplb: i thought that he is from Usa becouse he doesn't exist in EBL base|pg|| mb|2S|nt|paulg: that is the norm in the UK too|pg|| mb|p|nt|paulg: 4@d will be 'bid your major' (4@c would have been transfer to your major)|pg|| nt|granguru: yes many play 2@D x= short in @S |pg|| mb|p|nt|pelu: wd by West|pg|| nt|granguru: and 2@d - 2@h 5+ @H|pg|| nt|paulg: this is similar to the situation in the Open Room, where West doubled|pg|| nt|pelu: forcing pass in N?|pg|| mb|3D|nt|brolucius: Be careful because jtr is watching.|pg|| nt|granguru: now a correct flag in W ...thanks Michal|pg|| nt|peachy: and another 16+ 1C here, maybe they have additional agreements on what constitutes a 1C opening that we do not know about |pg|| mb|p|nt|ralfwil: ??? dbl from me as E|pg|| nt|paulg: surely not a forcing pass situation|pg|| mb|p|nt|pelu: but East help him, in on @CK he played @D - ruff, @C to A @S to 10 and duck - and now endplayed - East sh play @C back and no endplay|pg|| mb|p|nt|rcerreto: a cheap save on 4@h|pg|| nt|brolucius: 4@S has escaped a double, but the cards lie well for declarer so the lack of a double will not cost E/W much.|pg|| nt|granguru: In the meanwhile NS surpassed the safet level of 5@C|pg|| nt|granguru: is 6@C makeable?|pg|| nt|granguru: after A GAROZZO's lead|pg|| nt|peachy: on the surface, looks like just lose a spade, whether the tricks are there is another matter|pg|| nt|peachy: Kib who knows NS style says they love to surprise opps with frequent tactical bids|pg|| nt|riccho: 1 trick in every suit for ew = just make|pg|| pc|hT|nt|danilo1: despite 3NT looks makable for NS ... good defense should beat it ... so good stop|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|ralfwil: but still a dbl....|pg|| nt|granguru: 2 discards on reds|pg|| nt|chmitty: as long as they do not surprise themselves that's fine :)|pg|| pc|hK|nt|pelu: why not - u have bid game Red against green |pg|| pc|h4|pg|| nt|pelu: its for me a good standard rule|pg|| nt|chmitty: Full brakes on, from North's standpoint|pg|| nt|chmitty: South has a lot ... can he give up ?|pg|| nt|peachy: 6 controls opposite strong club, he just cant pass|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h7|nt|brolucius: Had the cards lain differently, not doubling might have waved goodbye to 500 or so.|pg|| nt|brolucius: East may have feared a third-hand opener, but her side was vulnerable.|pg|| nt|ralfwil: a thirs hand opening, but I can take 170 extra if declarer makes|pg|| nt|brolucius: West does not know that partner holds 10 points, so he cannot double 4@S even with an extra value or so. |pg|| nt|ralfwil: but shouldn´t E?|pg|| nt|pelu: now N can make 1NT - topplay @Hs and only 6 tricks for EW|pg|| nt|granguru: 3 discards on reds sorry|pg|| nt|granguru: one @S given up|pg|| pc|h9|pc|hA|pg|| nt|Walddk3: The contract is doubled at both tables in the other match|pg|| nt|granguru: so just one ruff needed|pg|| nt|peachy: It is also possible that 4S was RKC|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d8|nt|brolucius: Quite right.|pg|| nt|chmitty: May be 4@s was kind of blackwood|pg|| pc|dK|nt|peachy: it does make|pg|| nt|granguru: not even garozzo beats 6@c here|pg|| pc|d5|pg|| nt|peachy: WD White House team|pg|| nt|peachy: It would be nice if in a competition of this level, there were convention cards available|pg|| nt|chmitty: true :(|pg|| nt|chmitty: True also that there are many pairs in competition : huge job|pg|| nt|peachy: It makes kibitzing so much nicer, to know what the auction means|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|chmitty: a suggestion could be that the players had to fill themselves an "electronic convention card" before the championship|pg|| pc|c5|nt|chmitty: that will come soon, I'm sure|pg|| pc|c6|nt|murat: he should played the Ace @h|pg|| pc|cK|pg|| pc|s4|nt|paulg: it is a good standard rule for me too, but not when one hand has pre-empted|pg|| pc|s8|nt|brolucius: Now East may grab @CA.|pg|| nt|dburn: chances are that since East didn't double here South might get the clubs wrong|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s3|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h2|nt|murat: now he's in trouble|pg|| pc|s6|nt|pelu: for me "multi" is nor real preemt - just a semicontructiv opening bid|pg|| pc|d2|pg|| nt|pelu: wrong @hA ok if 3-3 and @H 10 nevber correct|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|c7|pc|d6|nt|murat: did he really discard @h ?|pg|| pc|dA|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o9|st||md|3SQ73HT862DQJ83C65,SAJT8HAQJ5DA2CK72,SK94H943D9CAQJT84,S652HK7DKT7654C93|sv|e|nt|rcerreto: E cashes @hK and then plays a @c back|pg|| mb|2C!|mb|p|mb|p|nt|rcerreto: and the @DA, before playing a @c back|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cQ|pc|c3|pc|c5|pc|cK|pg|| nt|rcerreto: in CR this made|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h9|pc|hK|pc|h2|pg|| pc|h7|nt|rcerreto: it looks it should fail to me|pg|| pc|h8|pc|hA|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h4|pc|d4|pc|h6|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|s4|pc|d5|pc|hT|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d9|pc|d6|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|d2|pc|cA|pc|dK|pc|d3|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s3|pc|sA|pc|s9|pg|| mc|8|nt|rcerreto: in CR W ducked the @cQ lead|pg|| pg|| qx|c9|st||md|3SQ73HT862DQJ83C65,SAJT8HAQJ5DA2CK72,SK94H943D9CAQJT84,S652HK7DKT7654C93|sv|e|nt|ralfwil: but perhaps only 2 imps|pg|| nt|rcerreto: should she risk -420 to get 100 instead of 50?|pg|| nt|dburn: risk? what risk?|pg|| nt|brolucius: Better to risk a double in the first place.|pg|| nt|Walddk3: An excellent 6@D now|pg|| nt|dburn: declarer could have the singleton king of clubs only if she had about ten cards rather than thirteen|pg|| nt|rcerreto: can declarer have one more @d one less @c?|pg|| nt|ralfwil: 6@d on NS - a nice contract|pg|| nt|rcerreto: N was declarer, I think|pg|| nt|Walddk3: In theory, there is a club ruff, but fortunately for declarer, the defender with the singleton club also has @DA|pg|| nt|brolucius: An interesting bidding test. If they bid it, I will applaud.|pg|| nt|brolucius: 6@C is more tricky and that might be reached.|pg|| nt|Walddk3: They may arrive in 6@C, though|pg|| nt|Walddk3: With problems on a spade lead|pg|| nt|brolucius: Yes.|pg|| nt|ralfwil: can they make 1C after a @c lead? I doubt|pg|| nt|brolucius: This is the sort of board we were hoping for. No-one wants these matches to be decided on small margins after some drab boards.|pg|| nt|ralfwil: sry @s lead|pg|| nt|ralfwil: 6@c after a @s lead....|pg|| nt|peachy: In "real" championships, I think that is how it is done, these championships are open to anybody who wants enter from anywhere in the world, no qualification required|pg|| nt|danilo1: running scores now on: http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/oswrunda3.html|pg|| nt|riccho: a matter of style and system if u open the N hand with 1@c 2@c or 3@c|pg|| nt|riccho: or even pass |pg|| nt|riccho: 3@c wouldn´t be my choice anyway|pg|| mb|2C|mb|p|nt|brolucius: If one side wins after doing better on the big boards, then good luck to them - (even if they are not from England)|pg|| nt|murat: that was unexpected|pg|| nt|MolvaM: the contract went both ways during play and finally declarer came out as the winner|pg|| nt|paulg: Seeing your partner pass when you have a balanced zero count is never good|pg|| mb|p|mb|d|nt|pelu: 34 HCP - I exp slam with most tables|pg|| nt|paulg: 1@s now from South?|pg|| nt|peachy: And teams can have members from any country = all transnational|pg|| nt|danilo1: 2@C precision style ... part of Polish @C system|pg|| mb|p|nt|riccho: so a precision like 2@c opening here |pg|| mb|2D|nt|ralfwil: If declarer plays @d before havinc cleaned trumps, another @s will set up a trumph trick|pg|| mb|p|nt|brolucius: D'Ovidio has started well by emphasizing the diamonds before supporting clubs.|pg|| nt|granguru: NS has a score sheet we all like to bring to the comparison table...all NS scores|pg|| mb|2N|nt|Walddk3: 6@C in the closed room|pg|| nt|Walddk3: Waiting for the lead|pg|| nt|Walddk3: @SQ|pg|| nt|chmitty: 2NT forcing asking for clarifications|pg|| mb|p|nt|pelu: but not so easy to bid the Grand|pg|| nt|granguru: 7@D should be|pg|| mb|3N|nt|brolucius: Ouch!|pg|| nt|murat: would you also prefer 2@s ?|pg|| mb|p|nt|brolucius: Imagine winning the board with 3NT.|pg|| nt|brolucius: A spade lead would not beat 3NT if clubs were 3-2.|pg|| nt|brolucius: not beat 6@C, I mean|pg|| mb|p|nt|ralfwil: true!|pg|| nt|paulg: tougher when you have not shown your 5-card support for partner|pg|| mb|p|nt|pelu: roller-coaster :)|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|MolvaM: this is interesting|pg|| nt|murat: Tokay should work some |pg|| nt|MolvaM: has to keep south out|pg|| nt|riccho: to duck wont help here|pg|| pc|c3|nt|granguru: Even if that doesnt mean anything, usually it is a good sign...|pg|| nt|chmitty: Lauria could hold : Kx KQ10xxx x Kxxx whixh would produce an excellent slam|pg|| pc|c5|nt|peachy: Declarer does not know how hearts sit so he might duck one, but as it is, does not matter|pg|| nt|riccho: or?|pg|| nt|riccho: it helps: decl can develop 3 tricks in @s|pg|| pc|c2|pg|| pc|h4|nt|pelu: would u X in West or bid 2Nt?|pg|| nt|paulg: i would have started with 2@d (inverted) personally, even if showing your 4-card major first seems to be growing in popularity|pg|| pc|hK|nt|peachy: running scores http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/orrrunda4.html|pg|| nt|rcerreto: la fai o non la fai la cue di x nel colore del compagno?|pg|| nt|rcerreto: sorry|pg|| nt|chmitty: :)|pg|| nt|peachy: Once all matches a completed, standings in each group will be here http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/orrleaderb.html|pg|| nt|chmitty: Lauria considering his options in case @h are 4-1|pg|| nt|peachy: there are 15 groups of 8 teams each|pg|| nt|chmitty: only danger to consider|pg|| nt|chmitty: ha can : a) play Ace @h and @h or b) play small @h to retain an extra entry in dummy or c) unblock @s ace and run Q @h|pg|| pc|h2|nt|pelu: but then u would mis a 4-4 fit in @H - pd could be 4-4-3-2|pg|| nt|danilo1: since @D bad ... declare cannot come to 9 trick on time .. before Nort enters with @SK 8if Cezary just continues @C)|pg|| pc|h5|pg|| nt|murat: dbl i guess|pg|| nt|pelu: for 100% 2NT|pg|| nt|MolvaM: I would bid 2nt|pg|| nt|pelu: 2NT = 16-19, D + 2Nt = 20+|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|sJ|pc|sK|pg|| nt|MolvaM: whenever I double, lefty bids 4@h and pd bids 4@s with 4 cards|pg|| nt|danilo1: now made ... time for 3@S tricks|pg|| pc|h9|nt|chmitty: he has choosen option a) :)|pg|| nt|chmitty: and we can see he is still Ok because South is endplayed|pg|| pc|h7|nt|murat: i prefer 2NT with 15-17 |pg|| nt|murat: bad 18|pg|| nt|riccho: now he has 9 tricks in his bag |pg|| pc|hT|nt|peachy: Doubledummy = seeing all four hands, ducking is wrong. Not seeing all four hands, it is a normal play|pg|| pc|hA|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h3|nt|pelu: many play that 1@D - 2@D = no 4 card major|pg|| pc|d4|pc|h6|pg|| nt|brolucius: So, 20+ IMPs swing due to a 4-1 break. Well, that's part of the game. Hard to take, though.|pg|| nt|murat: he was afraid of Q@c |pg|| nt|danilo1: @C continuation would beat|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|pelu: @cQ and @S back and Tokay will regret that he used his only entry to dummy|pg|| nt|MolvaM: kibs are shocked... to play clubs from hand is purely double dummy. he cant do that|pg|| nt|pelu: but against storng defense his plan sh fail|pg|| nt|MolvaM: he can hope that @cA is with north but very hard to play for both honors to be there|pg|| nt|pelu: if S has showed distrbution in the black suits - and easy defense for N|pg|| nt|MolvaM: well some days even 2 club tricks could be enough|pg|| nt|MolvaM: he could catch the @dQ|pg|| nt|murat: he's hopeless now|pg|| nt|MolvaM: so to play for @cQx inside is not a terrible play|pg|| nt|pelu: now running score in Women and Senior : http://www.poznan2011.pl/results|pg|| pc|c4|pc|d5|pc|h8|pg|| nt|peachy: http://www.eurobridge.org/competitions/11Poznan/Poznan.htm tourney website (bulletins, regulations etc.) |pg|| nt|riccho: if N had continued @c, decl would have to rely on a @d break - and fail|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d9|pc|d6|pc|d3|pg|| nt|murat: he's at home again :)|pg|| nt|pelu: but even with @CQ x in S u are down, @C to J and duck, @CK duck|pg|| nt|murat: cash the diamonds|pg|| nt|MolvaM: did he really play the king?|pg|| nt|MolvaM: the ace?|pg|| nt|murat: A @s and a club|pg|| nt|MolvaM: the @dJ was wining the trick|pg|| pc|d2|pc|cT|pc|dK|pc|d8|pg|| nt|riccho: so the duck didn´t help theoretically, but practically only|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s7|nt|MolvaM: anyway he just makes it|pg|| nt|pelu: Lawazza only in 1Nt +1|pg|| pc|sT|nt|murat: defence will give him the third spade trick|pg|| pc|s4|pg|| pc|sA|nt|MolvaM: kibs suggest playing a low diamond to dummy initially|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s6|pc|sQ|pg|| nt|pelu: yes a mistake not to take @CQ|pg|| nt|MolvaM: but in this hand that brings instant death|pg|| nt|pelu: sorry Ueland in 2NT|pg|| nt|vugraphplb: i made some mistake|pg|| nt|vugraphplb: sorry|pg|| nt|murat: :) |pg|| pc|s8|nt|murat: it's ok|pg|| nt|MolvaM: np michal :)|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c9|pc|c6|pg|| nt|riccho: decl has still some losing options here, but he found the way to 9 tricks|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o10|st||md|4S3HQT8DA976CKJT72,SKJ92HK74DKQ53C95,SQT76H963DJT8CA63,SA854HAJ52D42CQ84|sv|b|nt|rcerreto: and N didn't go on in @c|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|rcerreto: then a @s double finesse brought decl home|pg|| mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s3|pc|s9|pc|sT|pc|sA|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d6|pc|dK|pc|d8|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c6|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pg|| nt|marlowepi: remarkable defense|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c9|pc|c3|pc|c4|pg|| nt|rcerreto: still, ducking the lead could have been right|pg|| pc|c2|pc|h4|pc|cA|pc|c8|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s6|pc|s4|pc|h8|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|pc|dJ|pc|d2|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dQ|pc|dT|pc|s5|pg|| pc|hK|nt|marlowepi: not likely though with W having shown such a strong hand in the bidding|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h2|pc|hT|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h6|pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d5|pc|s7|pc|h5|pg|| pc|hA|pc|c7|mc|7|nt|rcerreto: 5 imps back to Monaco|pg|| nt|rcerreto: bye all, see you in a while :)|pg|| pg|| qx|c10|st||md|4S3HQT8DA976CKJT72,SKJ92HK74DKQ53C95,SQT76H963DJT8CA63,SA854HAJ52D42CQ84|sv|b|nt|Walddk3: 12 IMPs not the end of the world at this point|pg|| nt|ralfwil: another slam|pg|| nt|brolucius: So, Allerton-Leslie will think that they may have had a very big board.|pg|| nt|pelu: same did N :)|pg|| nt|paulg: i would be bidding hearts on the next round|pg|| nt|granguru: I think it is the correct way |pg|| nt|pelu: yes and that would show @H-stopper and bad @ss|pg|| nt|pelu: the problem - at boprt tables was Ss bold @s-bid|pg|| nt|chmitty: last board for today|pg|| mb|p|nt|riccho: he might have tried to endplay N with @sA and another|pg|| mb|p|nt|brolucius: A question of RKCB when the spade fit comes to light.|pg|| mb|1D|nt|MolvaM: for kibs who ask|pg|| nt|MolvaM: the other table scores are unreachable|pg|| nt|murat: Lavazza should get the comfortable lead|pg|| nt|MolvaM: but lavaza leads by a comfortable margin of approx 30 imps|pg|| mb|p|nt|peachy: Thank you kibitzers, ope you enjoyed. And thank you for your active participation with comments and questions, we are all here ONLy for you.|pg|| mb|1H|nt|ralfwil: 4@c from me as W|pg|| nt|Walddk3: So Zimmermann by 6 in a minute|pg|| nt|pelu: sory a solid win for Lawazza - my calculations (:)) 37-1|pg|| nt|chmitty: ty Raija :)@h|pg|| mb|p|nt|Walddk3: Multon won the diamond at trick 2 and paused for a while before he played another spade|pg|| mb|1S|nt|brolucius: E/W fighting bravely, but hard to imagine that it will be successfully.|pg|| nt|MolvaM: that looked like broadcasting a football match on radio :)|pg|| mb|p|nt|pelu: a very normal way to bid on Ns hand|pg|| nt|paulg: I played Mahaffey on vugraph in last year's Rosenblum ... luckily Meckwell were in Nickell's team on that occasion|pg|| mb|2S|nt|brolucius: All good pairs will know what to do after intervention over 4NT (in theory....)|pg|| nt|Walddk3: The Vriend team on their way to the final; 32-9 after a slam swing on board 23, like here|pg|| nt|peachy: Last hand now, thanks to our operator Michal for a great job! Also thanks to EBL for getting these great matches shown on BBO.|pg|| nt|peachy: Also thanks to our opearor for a great job!|pg|| mb|p|nt|chmitty: it was a reasonnable 6@c slam here but that will be for another day :) SO enjoy your evening (day) and see you tomorrow|pg|| mb|p|nt|murat: :)|pg|| nt|pelu: same contract in OR|pg|| mb|p|nt|pelu: 10 tricks|pg|| nt|MolvaM: the open event at this stage consists of short matches of 10 boards|pg|| nt|MolvaM: so this is the last hand of the segment|pg|| nt|peachy: Kibitzers, you are the life of this party, appreciate all your comments and questions!|pg|| pc|h6|nt|paulg: I think 1NT as semi-forcing is quite popular, where North might pass 1NT?|pg|| nt|riccho: some work here for decl to deny 6 defensive tricks here|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hQ|nt|Walddk3: The official site has a score of 30-27 in this match. Not easy to know what to believe|pg|| nt|brolucius: Cronier may fear a diamond ruff in 6@S, because he has offered the lower-scoring slam with excellent spade support.|pg|| nt|MolvaM: many thanks to our commentators peter lund, and murat anter|pg|| nt|MolvaM: and our operator michal |pg|| pc|hK|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s6|nt|MolvaM: and our kibitzers|pg|| pc|sA|nt|murat: my pleasure. thx everyone|pg|| nt|MolvaM: the next segment starts soon|pg|| nt|peachy: Round 3 scores http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/orrrunda3.html|pg|| pc|s3|pg|| pc|d2|nt|Walddk3: I trust our operators until proven wrong|pg|| nt|peachy: And to Pierre Schmidt and all commentators for volunteering their time and expertise.|pg|| pc|d6|nt|bigtrain: meckwell play semi-forcing... generally speaking meck passes all 5332s while eric bids on with 5332 maxs|pg|| pc|dQ|nt|granguru: 1@D 1@H (2@S) 2N 4@D(RKCB) 4@H(3) 4@S(Q ask) 4N (noQ)5@C(cab) 5@H(2nd round) 7@D|pg|| pc|d8|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h3|nt|peachy: Finally, full vugraph schedule http://www.bridgebase.com/vugraph/schedule.php so you can make plans to stay glued to your screen for more :)|pg|| pc|hA|nt|pelu: next match in 30 min|pg|| pc|h8|pg|| pc|d4|pc|dA|nt|riccho: typical safety play situation here in @s to lose only one trump trick|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dT|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h7|nt|MolvaM: there are stars from each country|pg|| nt|MolvaM: including all europeans|pg|| nt|MolvaM: and the world champions from usa meckstroth rodwell too|pg|| nt|MolvaM: so just stay with us|pg|| nt|MolvaM: unofficial score is 37-1 lavazza|pg|| nt|MolvaM: but better check later with the website|pg|| nt|MolvaM: http://www.poznan2011.pl/results|pg|| nt|bigtrain: for instance here, 2@C generally shows 4+ for meck and 3+ for roddy :)|pg|| pc|h9|nt|paulg: interesting difference in styles|pg|| nt|paulg: I thought these top pairs/teams were supposed to simulate these situations and get a consensus|pg|| nt|pelu: how do they explai that on CC?|pg|| pc|h2|pg|| nt|danilo1: tk -1 ... opening @H trick to def |pg|| nt|riccho: but there are as usual other considerations to make as well|pg|| pc|cT|nt|bigtrain: its a matter of style|pg|| nt|danilo1: now cash 2@C |pg|| pc|c5|pc|cA|nt|paulg: well, kokish at least|pg|| nt|bigtrain: note i said generally speaking|pg|| nt|pelu: but their opp sh have that information|pg|| pc|c4|pg|| nt|peachy: bye now, come back for more in less than 30 minutes, Round 4|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c8|pc|cJ|nt|pelu: general style = agreement = on CC|pg|| nt|bigtrain: they treat the 1NT as semi-forcing and announce it that way... what they do as individuals is just my observation|pg|| pc|c9|pg|| nt|riccho: defenders are stripping there hands here. An endplay may be possible now|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dK|pc|dJ|nt|riccho: best play from S|pg|| nt|danilo1: Patane team leads the field at the moment|pg|| pc|s5|pg|| nt|riccho: a @c would have stripped partner from his last exit card|pg|| mc|7|nt|danilo1: Thanks all, CU all at 11.45 CET|pg|| nt|riccho: in Bd 9 helgemo decided to take the @c immediately... |pg|| nt|riccho: thanks a lot for all |pg|| pg||