vg|A EC 2011 Open Teams Swiss _,3_7,I,1,10,Angelini,0,Hungary Steve,0| rs|1NN+1,1NS-1,3NS+1,3SW+1,4SN+1,4SS+1,4HNx-2,3NN-1,3DN+2,4HS+1,1NE+3,2NE-1,4SE-2,4SE-1,3NN=,3DS=,3NW-2,3NW-1,4SW-3,2SW=| pn|Greco,Szabo,Hampson,Cseho,Zsolt Zsak,Nunes,Grezsa,Fantoni|pg|| qx|o1|st||md|3ST65HKQ7DT43CKT73,SAK982H854DA7C842,SQ3HA932DQJ865CA5,SJ74HJT6DK92CQJ96|sv|o|mb|1N!|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|hJ|pc|hK|nt|Walddk2: http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/oswleaderb.html|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h2|pg|| pc|d3|nt|Walddk2: Good morning to Walter Johnson|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d6|pc|d2|pg|| nt|pelu: 7 toptrick for EW but almost impossible to take them|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sQ|pc|s4|pc|s5|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d9|pc|dT|pc|d7|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h4|pc|h3|pc|h6|pg|| nt|pelu: can u why N took the !Q? - even if @SJ in W he has no stopper|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sK|pc|s3|pc|s7|pg|| pc|sA|pc|dJ|pc|sJ|pc|sT|pg|| pc|s9|pc|dQ|pc|c6|pc|c3|pg|| pc|s8|pc|d8|pc|hT|pc|c7|pg|| mc|8|nt|pelu: I cant forlow the play - sothing rotten|pg|| pg|| qx|c1|st||md|3ST65HKQ7DT43CKT73,SAK982H854DA7C842,SQ3HA932DQJ865CA5,SJ74HJT6DK92CQJ96|sv|o|nt|bagman: Hi all|pg|| mb|1D|mb|p|nt|Gerben42: welcome back in Poznan|pg|| nt|davpro: Morning all|pg|| nt|Walddk4: yes h missing|pg|| nt|Walddk4: Please operator|pg|| nt|roswolf: a difficult grand to bid|pg|| nt|MolvaM: it seems bochi plays in both rooms :)|pg|| mb|1N|nt|roswolf: hi all|pg|| nt|roswolf: hi all|pg|| mb|p|nt|hawe45: A splinter in North would do fine - in later defense|pg|| mb|p|nt|jbgood: hi|pg|| nt|davpro: Thx operator. It looked like an forcing pass-opening :)|pg|| mb|p|pc|sA|nt|davpro: Who is Brogeland playing with?|pg|| nt|roswolf: ty operator|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s4|nt|davpro: Ah- there the name came|pg|| pc|s5|pg|| nt|hawe45: You have seen too manu bad overcalls, when you sell out with the North hand|pg|| nt|roswolf: missing the @DQ they have to diagnose they have extra trump length to compensate|pg|| pc|sK|pc|sQ|pc|s7|nt|Gerben42: south hand is known as Bridge World Death Hand (BWDH)|pg|| nt|Gerben42: invitational values with 3-card support for partner|pg|| nt|bagman: South has a nice hand with spade values and N has an easy raise to game with 2 aces|pg|| nt|hawe45: East has built a trap - will remove to 5 @H, only losing 100 I think|pg|| nt|hawe45: Is there a reward for "slowest bid hand of the tournament" - without special reason...|pg|| nt|bridge_one: Hello all|pg|| nt|runnerup: hi all|pg|| nt|hawe45: Hello|pg|| pc|s6|pg|| nt|Gerben42: with Qxxxx x Axxx xxx North would pass and 4@S would be cold|pg|| nt|roswolf: 1nt played the other way round - no spade lead|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h9|nt|Gerben42: but there is normally no perfect answer|pg|| pc|hT|nt|roswolf: 10 tricks are on ice here|pg|| nt|roswolf: players names will be up in a mo|pg|| nt|jbgood: going through the motions|pg|| nt|roswolf: 3 controls and west will ask for the queen|pg|| nt|roswolf: in the other room|pg|| pc|hK|pg|| nt|runnerup: looks dangerous -all tricks possible|pg|| nt|davpro: W probably showed 4@s and E might have shown 4@h. I don't know their system :(|pg|| pc|d3|nt|roswolf: didnt bother played his pard for 3+ diamonds or the queen|pg|| nt|roswolf: 3@D may yhave promised 3+diamonds|pg|| pc|d7|nt|MolvaM: who can hold Qxx diamonds? thats the question|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dK|pg|| pc|sJ|nt|roswolf: only problem is the potential 3-0 trump break|pg|| nt|roswolf: doesnt matter here:)|pg|| nt|MolvaM: does the lead tell any story|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s8|nt|jbgood: puppet i think - then 3@d shows 1 or 2 4 card majors, and deny 5|pg|| pc|d5|pg|| nt|hawe45: 13 tricks - over|pg|| pc|h6|nt|hawe45: or 12|pg|| pc|hQ|nt|bagman: One of the answers is to use an artificial tool to separate hands with 3 card spades and those with 0-2|pg|| nt|bridge_one: and 6 is down with @H lead|pg|| nt|davpro: y- that was my guess too|pg|| pc|h4|nt|jbgood: then responder bids the suit he doesnt have |pg|| pc|h2|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dA|pc|d6|pc|d2|pg|| nt|athene: hi good morning everyone|pg|| pc|s9|pc|h3|nt|hawe45: Funny hand|pg|| nt|bridge_one: funny for N/S |pg|| nt|hawe45: 1590 - a score not seen so often...|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d4|pg|| mc|6|pg|| qx|o2|st||md|4S84HQ73DAKQ54CQ86,SAJ97632HKDJ6CKJ9,SKTHAJ9864D32CT54,SQ5HT52DT987CA732|sv|n|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|3S|nt|Walddk2: 1NT is 14-16, in theory|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|nt|pelu: in CR 1Nt in S Lead @SA K and down 1|pg|| mb|p|pc|s7|pc|sK|pc|s5|pc|s4|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dT|pc|dA|pc|d6|pg|| nt|pelu: a ,lucky 3NT against 4@H 4 toplosers|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dJ|pc|d3|pc|d7|pg|| nt|pelu: w in 3@S in CR|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|s2|pc|sT|pc|d8|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hK|mc|10|pg|| qx|c2|st||md|4S84HQ73DAKQ54CQ86,SAJ97632HKDJ6CKJ9,SKTHAJ9864D32CT54,SQ5HT52DT987CA732|sv|n|nt|eamongall: Here defence need to find the @C ruff in time to beat 4@Hs |pg|| nt|roswolf: 10 or 11 tricks operator?|pg|| nt|davpro: there was actually 12 to take (double dummie)|pg|| nt|pelu: hi all|pg|| nt|roswolf: solid start for the dutch|pg|| nt|MolvaM: good start|pg|| nt|roswolf: a fortuitous start for angelini|pg|| nt|roswolf: hu bill|pg|| nt|roswolf: hi bill:)|pg|| nt|roswolf: more spice here|pg|| mb|p|nt|davpro: 10 point all around. |pg|| nt|Walddk4: Welcome Peter and Murat|pg|| nt|MolvaM: hello|pg|| nt|athene: without the @DA Nunes would likely have led fourth best|pg|| mb|1D|nt|bridge_one: with 6/5 and only 1 defencive trick normally better to play in attack|pg|| mb|3S|mb|p|nt|runnerup: perhaps east should take it away -he has got support in hearts so ..|pg|| nt|jbgood: Angelini seems to be in the A Swiss almost no matter what happens in this match|pg|| nt|roswolf: now a hand for n/s to bid|pg|| mb|p|nt|davpro: y and Mossop will need a good result to joij them|pg|| nt|roswolf: fulvio has seen his pard's bids before|pg|| mb|p|pc|d3|nt|davpro: *join|pg|| nt|jbgood: 24 vps to Mossop |pg|| nt|jbgood: 3 from each group to A - the others to B|pg|| nt|pelu: hard decision by S - 4@H is down 1 and 5@c also down 1|pg|| nt|MolvaM: 5c looks good|pg|| nt|pelu: sorry 5@c making - only defense is @H lead and the @S - kill the entry for the 4. @D|pg|| pc|d7|nt|hawe45: About 12 tricks again - but lucky and only in South|pg|| nt|bridge_one: Jxxx in @D are very much - the double by Versace means balanced hand value in @S - Zaleski can reopen|pg|| pc|dQ|nt|MolvaM: kibs rush in to tell me that if defence plays spades 5c cant make|pg|| pc|d6|pg|| nt|jbgood: then 27 from A and 5 from B go on to the KO stage|pg|| nt|davpro: They found a 6-1 fit instead of the 6-0 fit. On level higher though|pg|| nt|pelu: has to take 3x@C befor @D|pg|| pc|dK|nt|eamongall: the non-vul Townsend might venture an insurance 4@Hs |pg|| nt|jbgood: but I think a black suit or even NT play better than @ds|pg|| nt|davpro: y|pg|| nt|roswolf: some sort of short suit trial bid?|pg|| pc|dJ|nt|MolvaM: we see all 4 hands but sometimes at the table it is not obvious to shift to spades|pg|| pc|d2|nt|bridge_one: so 2@C forcing one round|pg|| nt|hawe45: Best lead: @S King|pg|| nt|hawe45: Sorry - NORTH is declarer... - wake up|pg|| nt|pelu: yes defense has to kill @SA|pg|| pc|d8|pg|| nt|roswolf: south wont get in much to lead trumps|pg|| nt|hawe45: But would also make on the @S-lead|pg|| nt|bridge_one: lead small @S possible but @H equivalent - many use to overcall 1@S in West to give the lead|pg|| nt|bridge_one: with weak 5332 i agree to pass like Versace|pg|| nt|hawe45: But an overcall would put the contract in South, so...|pg|| nt|runnerup: nothing really helps,but contracts should have been by south this time -by n= -if spade lead,but now 12|pg|| nt|bridge_one: the option between @H and @S lead is a typical problem in bridge|pg|| pc|d4|nt|eamongall: Now defence need to get active |pg|| nt|roswolf: 2nt|pg|| nt|granguru: HI ALL|pg|| nt|MolvaM: 4s has good chances|pg|| nt|granguru: HI ALL|pg|| pc|hK|nt|MolvaM: with trump Kx inside and clubs 3-3 and the @dK safe|pg|| pc|sT|pc|d9|pg|| nt|roswolf: and wont necessarily lead one anyway:)|pg|| nt|jbgood: hi Roland and all|pg|| nt|jbgood: sry - wrong table:)|pg|| nt|jbgood: maybe 2 |pg|| pc|c4|nt|eamongall: still time |pg|| nt|bagman: N has to duck the @HK if W plays a low heart|pg|| nt|bagman: Both N and S know that there are no spade tricks to make|pg|| nt|MolvaM: even in the case of a spade shift, stuurman has to be very careful to keep all his diamonds and let his spade honor go|pg|| pc|c2|nt|bridge_one: i prefere to lead in the suit more solid, but without a solid suit i prefere the lead from small cards - but is is only a opinion|pg|| nt|jbgood: NT is more flexible than 3@d|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|bagman: They also see the clubs so they can make extra tricks only from trumps|pg|| pc|cK|pg|| nt|MolvaM: 46 teams playing in group A (27 will qualify), and 74 teams playing in group B (only 5 teams will qualify)|pg|| pc|sA|pc|sK|nt|athene: a stronger defence was diamond lead, heart back, then another diamond|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o3|st||md|1SAKQJHKT72DAT7C84,S2H9654DQ953CK972,ST6543HAQ8DJ62CA3,S987HJ3DK84CQJT65|sv|e|nt|pelu: strange that Szabo passed over 1NT??|pg|| mb|1C!|mb|p|mb|1S!|nt|pelu: sorry he bid 3@S - more coffee :(:(|pg|| mb|p|mb|2S!|mb|p|mb|3C!|mb|p|mb|3D!|mb|p|mb|3H!|mb|p|nt|pelu: Hungary was in 2. round up against Monoca A and lost 25-5 and now again meet a top-team hard for them|pg|| nt|pelu: but in the swiss-system they will bet6ter draw next round |pg|| mb|4D!|nt|pelu: Fantoni - Nunes are EW in CR|pg|| mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|pelu: Angelini lost 11-19 to Denmark in round 2!|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c4|pc|c2|pc|cA|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s9|pc|sJ|pc|s2|pg|| pc|sA|pc|c9|pc|s3|pc|s7|pg|| pc|sK|pc|c7|pc|s4|pc|s8|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h4|pc|hA|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hJ|pc|h7|pc|h5|pg|| pc|h8|pc|d4|pc|hK|pc|h6|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h9|pc|c3|pc|c5|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cK|pc|s6|pc|c6|pg|| nt|pelu: if @HJ dont come he can ruff the 4.@h and play @C - then EW has to open the @D-suit|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d8|pc|dT|pc|dQ|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c3|st||md|1SAKQJHKT72DAT7C84,S2H9654DQ953CK972,ST6543HAQ8DJ62CA3,S987HJ3DK84CQJT65|sv|e|nt|runnerup: took 10 -so -1 imp|pg|| nt|MolvaM: here is the link to running scores http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/oswleaderb.html|pg|| nt|athene: interesting 3NT call by north in the other room|pg|| mb|1N|nt|bagman: EW are currently 4th fighting for a medal|pg|| mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|nt|jbgood: looks like a peaceful 3 NT by N|pg|| nt|jbgood: or S for that matter|pg|| nt|MolvaM: tokay-baldursson at the open room is a very new partnership which might explain why they couldnt find the grand|pg|| nt|athene: certainly a bit of a gamble but it paid off very nicely this time|pg|| mb|3C!|mb|p|mb|3H|nt|runnerup: normal 4 @h = with no other ideas -from anyone -looks like it ,but..|pg|| mb|p|mb|3S|nt|bagman: Rimsted clearly gambling with her heart suit|pg|| nt|davpro: yes. 9 easy tricks, but not the best communications...|pg|| nt|jbgood: 1 nt - 2 @h - 2 NT - 3 NT?|pg|| mb|p|nt|Gerben42: some would call it practical :)|pg|| nt|bridge_one: all colors taked by weak players :)|pg|| nt|bridge_one: North bid both, @D and @H|pg|| mb|4S|nt|MolvaM: misfit hand but contract seems makable|pg|| nt|roswolf: slam possible here perhaps|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|athene: 6@S would not be great here even with the @D9|pg|| mb|p|nt|pelu: 2@S in OR|pg|| nt|athene: the point being, on a club lead, you have to draw trumps and then cash four hearts to discard a club from the north hand|pg|| pc|c2|nt|MolvaM: the first non-alert after 3 rounds of bidding :)|pg|| pc|cA|nt|jbgood: N should know that the @c king counts for full - and bid 3 imo|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|davpro: They stopped low, but if @ds are not 3-3 a higher contract would be a struggle|pg|| pc|c4|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s8|nt|roswolf: although the bidding thus far is cloaked in mystery they seem to be powering into it|pg|| pc|sJ|nt|Gerben42: with a bit more fortune it would have been a claimer|pg|| nt|bagman: In pairs it might not be that practical as the bonus for the game is not that big as in teams|pg|| pc|s2|pg|| nt|bridge_one: duck this @D could be a idea|pg|| nt|hawe45: Gives the same result, if South plays safe|pg|| nt|bridge_one: but give at south the chance to fault|pg|| pc|sA|nt|roswolf: 4@S MIGHT BE FINIS|pg|| nt|roswolf: and it is not sure what happened there|pg|| nt|MolvaM: at the other table, tokay asked for keycards and then asked for the trump queen apparently. why??|pg|| nt|roswolf: very true|pg|| pc|c9|nt|hawe45: Absolutely|pg|| nt|MolvaM: on the previous board|pg|| nt|athene: actually i guess it would be ok (provided the hearts come in)|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s7|pg|| nt|pelu: the @D-lead gave S a fine tempo|pg|| pc|sK|pc|h4|pc|s5|pc|s9|pg|| nt|MolvaM: west was somewhat stuck for a good lead|pg|| nt|pelu: 110 = 9 IMP for Monaco|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h5|pc|hA|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hJ|pc|h7|pc|h6|pg|| pc|h8|pc|c5|nt|jbgood: the point is that you create swings when you dont bid games on 26 combined |pg|| pc|hK|pc|h9|pg|| pc|hT|nt|davpro: To be fair against N. 2N from S was perhaps a bit low (aswell)|pg|| pc|d3|pc|c3|nt|jbgood: I am sure this wil be a game swing for Angelini|pg|| pc|c6|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c7|pc|s6|pc|cT|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d4|pc|dT|nt|MolvaM: 9 imp from a partscore hand is good|pg|| pc|dQ|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dJ|nt|jbgood: it shows 10-11 hcps nevertheless|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dA|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d9|pc|d6|pc|d8|pg|| pc|cK|pc|sT|pc|cJ|pc|sQ|pg|| pg|| qx|o4|st||md|2S9HAQ92DKQCAKT653,S84HKJT76DAJ85C42,SQ653H8543DT94CQ9,SAKJT72HD7632CJ87|sv|b|nt|Walddk2: Good morning to David Burn|pg|| nt|dburn: hello|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|pelu: Hi David - Roland was hard working and I was "alone in the world""|pg|| mb|2S|mb|d|mb|p|mb|2N!|nt|dburn: potentially troublesome deal for North-South, this|pg|| mb|p|nt|dburn: auction started the same way at the other table, and South bid 3@s to ask for a stop|pg|| mb|3C|an| |mb|p|nt|pelu: 3Nt in CR - but I can "only" see 8 tricks|pg|| mb|3H!|mb|p|nt|dburn: I don't know what happened after that, though|pg|| mb|4H|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|dburn: but 4@h may be a rather worse spot|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Szabo thinks it is|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s9|pc|s4|pc|s3|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pc|d4|pg|| nt|dburn: still, he may be able to get out for 500 and lose about half the Angelini lead in the match|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d9|pc|d3|pc|dK|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h6|pc|h3|pc|d2|pg|| pc|c3|nt|Walddk2: Yes, Szabo can be endplayed. He has too many trumps|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|c7|pg|| nt|pelu: bad news|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c8|pc|cA|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cK|nt|Walddk2: 500 it is|pg|| pc|hT|pc|s5|pc|cJ|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c4|st||md|2S9HAQ92DKQCAKT653,S84HKJT76DAJ85C42,SQ653H8543DT94CQ9,SAKJT72HD7632CJ87|sv|b|nt|bagman: with both spades and diamonds open 3NT requires some luck|pg|| nt|davpro: So, with less and 3-4-1-5 distibution he would always pass?|pg|| nt|jbgood: yes|pg|| nt|MolvaM: zmud has 5-5 reds again|pg|| nt|MolvaM: anyway...|pg|| nt|MolvaM: another lively hand|pg|| nt|roswolf: another freakish deal|pg|| nt|athene: west isn't quite worth 2@H i think in their style|pg|| mb|p|nt|roswolf: hi all|pg|| nt|pelu: 5@h is max|pg|| mb|p|mb|2S!|nt|bridge_one: same defence in other room |pg|| nt|athene: their 2-level openers are 10-13 and only really, really huge 9-counts qualify|pg|| nt|roswolf: indeed not now here come the fireworks|pg|| nt|athene: in third seat, of course, things are relaxed a bit... :)|pg|| nt|roswolf: :)|pg|| mb|d|nt|athene: north will lebensohl his way to 3@H i guess|pg|| nt|roswolf: can west rdbl for blood here?|pg|| mb|p|nt|bridge_one: 2@H is limited at 9 hcp 3 cards raise|pg|| nt|roswolf: indeed|pg|| nt|MolvaM: 3rd slam hand in a row?|pg|| mb|2N!|nt|runnerup: you have to guess well to make 4 @h -but that is bedt|pg|| nt|hawe45: A poor 4 @H - but you might be forced to "guess" right|pg|| nt|bridge_one: East is evaluating what bid|pg|| nt|runnerup: this @d lead asked may help to get rid off spade looser|pg|| nt|jbgood: choice between dbl and 1 NT...|pg|| nt|jbgood: pass never an option for Boye on a near opener|pg|| nt|roswolf: lebensohl is heading n/s into danger here|pg|| nt|athene: well, whether he can or not, he didn't|pg|| mb|p|nt|roswolf: east will leap high|pg|| nt|MolvaM: leader board and running scores http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/oswleaderb.html|pg|| nt|roswolf: but is it high enough|pg|| nt|athene: sometimes if you redouble in these auctions you help opps because they now have more room to scramble for the best fit|pg|| mb|3S!|nt|jbgood: but defense may start with 3 spades and 5 hearts|pg|| nt|roswolf: this is where south needs discipline|pg|| mb|d!|nt|jbgood: not any more|pg|| nt|davpro: 8 quick tricks for defense here on a spade lead. 7 for declarer on that lead|pg|| nt|jbgood: 7 th in the bag|pg|| nt|athene: also you warn them with borderline hands to stay low|pg|| nt|roswolf: 3@S WHATEVER IT MEANS SEEM OVER THE TOP - WEST SHAPENS HIS AXE|pg|| nt|athene: so here for example if west had redoubled, south might well have decided his partner didn't have what was needed|pg|| nt|roswolf: sharpens|pg|| mb|3N|nt|MolvaM: lets see if they can locate the missing @d control|pg|| nt|roswolf: they should do|pg|| nt|roswolf: the flexible double|pg|| nt|roswolf: ouch is comming|pg|| mb|p|nt|bagman: Declarer needs to ruff the heart losers and discard a club on a diamond|pg|| nt|hawe45: UNDO|pg|| nt|MolvaM: spade honors not so attractive for madala|pg|| nt|roswolf: this may well be passed|pg|| nt|roswolf: south has nothing to cue and has soft club values|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|roswolf: they dont have a lot of hcp to spare|pg|| nt|pelu: in OR NS in 6@H - looks like S gave a false cue bid in @D - but it was an artifical bidding over 6 round|pg|| nt|MolvaM: wow thats enterprising|pg|| nt|roswolf: i think the italians are merciful|pg|| pc|sK|nt|MolvaM: in another table north could go with J2N and that might be a problem|pg|| pc|s9|nt|roswolf: i am told they are in slam in the other room|pg|| nt|roswolf: well he still likes his hand|pg|| pc|s4|nt|MolvaM: well even if diamonds are not led. no way to get rid of the 2 losers|pg|| nt|roswolf: and that is enough for norberto:)|pg|| nt|MolvaM: does 4s have any specific meaning?|pg|| nt|MolvaM: or just an old fashioned cue?|pg|| pc|s3|pg|| nt|runnerup: no fight now just posible over tricks |pg|| nt|roswolf: yes i want to bid on and i have a spade control|pg|| nt|roswolf: the latter|pg|| nt|roswolf: this seems an easy-ish make|pg|| pc|d6|nt|bagman: The @DA must be with E: if W has it, then E has the clubs|pg|| nt|hawe45: But how can you play bridge - NOT leading partners suit with Ace-x???|pg|| nt|hawe45: You MUST have seen too many bad overcalls|pg|| nt|bridge_one: 2@H now|pg|| nt|MolvaM: try both finesses and hope that the @d10 takes care of itself|pg|| nt|roswolf: the pass of 4@S said dont lead one i am told:) so he follows his own suggestion:)|pg|| pc|dQ|nt|pelu: very controles bidding here|pg|| nt|roswolf: safe enough here|pg|| nt|athene: declarer's concern on a diamond shift is whether to finesse the @C9|pg|| nt|roswolf: now off|pg|| pc|dA|nt|athene: but i don't think he will|pg|| pc|d4|pg|| pc|d5|nt|hawe45: Happy Christmas now|pg|| nt|bridge_one: push hand|pg|| nt|runnerup: looks srange but no spade losers went away |pg|| pc|d9|pc|d2|nt|jbgood: as suggested Angeline bid and made 3 NT on the previous one|pg|| pc|dK|pg|| nt|MolvaM: I wont lead one :)|pg|| nt|athene: he might be considering whether to try to make the contract by playing east for the @HK|pg|| nt|roswolf: yes but east's double is a warning|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|c7|pg|| nt|jbgood: strange that N didnt try a big spade first...|pg|| nt|roswolf: draw trumps and take the diamonf hook|pg|| nt|MolvaM: can pull trumps and discard diamonds on clubs to ruff out the king|pg|| nt|MolvaM: which also works|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c8|pc|cA|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cK|pc|h6|nt|bagman: Declarer wondering if he can throw E in for a club trick|pg|| pc|h4|nt|davpro: y|pg|| pc|cJ|pg|| pc|cT|pc|h7|pc|h3|nt|roswolf: the americans in the other room got caught in 4@HX|pg|| pc|s2|pg|| pc|c5|pc|hT|pc|h5|nt|roswolf: yup|pg|| pc|s7|pg|| pc|c6|nt|roswolf: SO I BOW TO THE PREDICTIONS OF AT LEAST 2 KIBBERS:)|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dT|pc|d3|pg|| pc|hA|nt|MolvaM: well done|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h8|pc|sT|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|s5|pc|d7|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|s6|pc|sJ|pc|h2|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pc|h9|pg|| pg|| qx|o5|st||md|3S4HT5432DAQ76532C,SKQ87HQ98DT9CQT42,SAJ52HAJ7D84CK953,ST963HK6DKJCAJ876|sv|n|mb|1D!|nt|Walddk2: 10-15, 2+ diamonds|pg|| mb|p|nt|pelu: 4@H and even 3NT make - but prob a partscore |pg|| mb|1H|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: Not often my partner has seven-card support for the suit I open|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|nt|pelu: why not 1NT? - In B1 N open 1Nt on 13?|pg|| nt|dburn: was he vulnerable then?|pg|| nt|Walddk2: That would be a revolution|pg|| nt|pelu: No - so they play weak/strong NT - green-Red|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Vulnerable on board 1|pg|| mb|3D|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: No Peter|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: They play 14-16, but sometimes they upgrade|pg|| nt|pelu: why not - B1 all green|pg|| nt|Walddk2: as do we all|pg|| pc|cA|nt|Walddk2: Look at board 2 for example. AKQxx and Greco upgraded, fair enough|pg|| pc|d2|pc|cT|pc|c3|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d9|pc|d4|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pc|s3|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dK|pc|d3|pc|dT|pg|| nt|pelu: Ok - but I dont see wht B1 sh be upgraded - a very normal 1@D - but he prefer 1@d on doubleton and not 5 card :)|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h2|pc|h8|pc|hA|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c6|pc|d5|pc|c2|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hQ|pc|h7|pc|h6|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c5|st||md|3S4HT5432DAQ76532C,SKQ87HQ98DT9CQT42,SAJ52HAJ7D84CK953,ST963HK6DKJCAJ876|sv|n|nt|Gerben42: after 1@C the E hand is too big for 4@H I guess|pg|| nt|bagman: NS can make a minor suit slam|pg|| nt|bagman: Maybe EW have some Namyats type of device over 1m openings|pg|| nt|Gerben42: 3N-2 was only worth 20%|pg|| nt|Gerben42: last round not finished yet?|pg|| nt|bagman: If N can show real clubs, S hand becomes very valuable with the source of tricks, heart control and trump support|pg|| nt|Gerben42: if it starts 1@C 4@H, what does S bid?|pg|| nt|Gerben42: 4NT perhaps|pg|| nt|bagman: but E has a hand where she can prevent NS from changing that information. After 1@C, E can bid 4@H and then?|pg|| nt|Gerben42: esp. tough if 1@C can be short (3 or even 2 cards)|pg|| nt|bagman: if 4NT shows primary diamonds and secondary clubs then it's the bid|pg|| nt|Gerben42: the problem with such a bid is - what will pd think it is|pg|| nt|bagman: I wouldn't be surprised if there are some other agreements for the meaning of 4NT|pg|| nt|bagman: or no agreements :)|pg|| nt|Gerben42: this is an area where regular partnerships are ahead of the game|pg|| nt|bagman: 6@HX is 500; it's better than the vulnerable game for EW so they might take the sac|pg|| nt|runnerup: 11 in both tables and we though how to make 10|pg|| nt|MolvaM: specs tell me slam makable if no @d lead|pg|| nt|MolvaM: well if you can duck a diamond and then squeeze somebody afterwards :) maybe|pg|| nt|MolvaM: not sure if this play was superior|pg|| nt|roswolf: yes|pg|| nt|roswolf: for running scores http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/oswleaderb.html|pg|| nt|athene: south could make 6 of a red suit here if only he could get to dummy twice (lead the @H7 picks the suit up)|pg|| nt|roswolf: there will be some fun and games here|pg|| nt|athene: sorry - of course he can do it|pg|| nt|athene: lead to @SA, and lead the small heart|pg|| nt|athene: then later get to dummy with a heart and lead a diamond to the queen|pg|| nt|athene: easy!|pg|| nt|roswolf: hmm perhaps not at the table -in the bidding|pg|| nt|athene: only needs east to have @HHx and @DKx|pg|| nt|roswolf: game not reached at the other table|pg|| nt|athene: hampson-greco playing precision so 1@D is nebulous|pg|| nt|athene: south can be very aggressive if he knows his partner actually has some diamonds|pg|| nt|athene: but not when it might just be two small|pg|| nt|roswolf: indeed these kind of hands are horrible for strong club systems|pg|| nt|roswolf: or less bill|pg|| nt|athene: well it's at least a doubleton for them i think; they use 2@D for the short diamond hands|pg|| nt|vugraphplc: Nunes call director|pg|| nt|roswolf: short of bds!?or something wrong with the last hand?|pg|| nt|vugraphplc: becouse 2nt invit or forsing |pg|| nt|athene: hmmm - they are not happy about something from the previous board, i guess|pg|| nt|athene: ah - you mean nunes was told that 2NT was showing a good hand and that is why he didn't double?|pg|| mb|1C|nt|Gerben42: something to be said for 5@H overcall too|pg|| nt|bridge_one: in 4@H in other match one made one down|pg|| nt|hawe45: 5 @D N/S should end the auction|pg|| nt|roswolf: wont make much difference anyway|pg|| mb|p|nt|MolvaM: if trumps were 3-1 he would have to fall back on the @d hook|pg|| mb|1H|nt|bagman: against a strong 1@C 5@H would be fine|pg|| nt|runnerup: 3nt also,but ew can bid more|pg|| mb|p|nt|roswolf: 4@S here is the likely spot|pg|| nt|roswolf: a heart partial would be sensible|pg|| mb|1S|nt|bridge_one: 5@D can be beated with @S lead|pg|| nt|runnerup: no just loose that|pg|| mb|p|nt|runnerup: small from table |pg|| nt|jbgood: some lucky day you make 6 @s on this lot - but not today|pg|| nt|athene: 1nt now? :) - he does have seven stoppers in the unbid suit|pg|| nt|roswolf: the diamond suit now consigned to the dustbin|pg|| nt|athene: i bet a lot of partnerships don't know what a jump in 4th suit means|pg|| nt|athene: i.e. 3@D here - is that natural forcing, natural non-forcing, or what?|pg|| nt|roswolf: what is wrong with a natural 1@D RESPONSE?|pg|| mb|3D|mb|p|nt|roswolf: south is sensible|pg|| nt|MolvaM: west also :)|pg|| nt|MolvaM: would have been interesting to watch 3@dX|pg|| nt|athene: no-one ever bids a strong 7-card minor if they have a major of any description|pg|| mb|4H|nt|bridge_one: after pass at 5@C @S lead became possible|pg|| nt|hawe45: Lightner...|pg|| nt|bridge_one: @S ruff, K @C - declarer lose the ruff, one @C and A@H|pg|| nt|roswolf: yup he had the colors to help him|pg|| nt|athene: i think officially in SAYC a jump in 4th suit is defined as natural and invitational|pg|| mb|p|nt|runnerup: ok wrong hand|pg|| nt|hawe45: No right hand|pg|| nt|bridge_one: many pair use pass at 5@C like OK to lead @C, instead DBL means to lead in another suit|pg|| nt|bridge_one: but i don't know the gadget played by E/W|pg|| nt|jbgood: investigating for a club contract (slam?) and got no reaction of a positive kind |pg|| mb|p|nt|runnerup: so it was all academical|pg|| mb|p|nt|bagman: Malinowski has very little defense and can hope that they go down only 3|pg|| nt|athene: but it's one of those dark corners that no-one knows about|pg|| nt|roswolf: 1-5-7-0 will not be an obvious shape to the defenders|pg|| pc|sK|nt|athene: @SK to the ace, diamond finesse i guess|pg|| pc|sA|nt|bridge_one: now np|pg|| nt|MolvaM: trump lead effective stop a club ruff|pg|| nt|athene: fantoni might stick the @DK in|pg|| nt|roswolf: but north made a normal if aggressive raise to the vul game|pg|| pc|s3|nt|pelu: kibs - if u know EW-bidding then help us :)|pg|| pc|s4|pg|| nt|bagman: Good time to take the save; in pairs taking an 800 save against a making slam is not a way to win; normally you should take your chances and try to beat the slam|pg|| nt|jbgood: @d cue was what S did NOT want to get|pg|| pc|d4|nt|davpro: But from Ns view; doesn't it seem as if S hasn't got a @h cue?|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d9|pg|| nt|athene: now declarer is worried the @DQ might get ruffed, so he would like to lead a diamond from dummy|pg|| nt|athene: but entries are a bit on the short side|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h9|nt|jbgood: N looks to take no notice...|pg|| nt|jbgood: S bid well - N somewhat undiciplined - slam is more like a Roland one (which in the old days would be called a Norwegian slam)|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|davpro: This could take a while, but will end with 1 down...|pg|| nt|jbgood: If N has the @c Q in stead of the @d Q his hand would be better though|pg|| pc|hK|pg|| nt|bagman: (unless the slam is such that everybody bids and makes it)|pg|| pc|s6|nt|athene: when you have a hand like south's, your worst nightmare is getting forced, losing trump control|pg|| pc|h3|pc|s7|pc|s2|pg|| nt|MolvaM: 2 slams equalized the score|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h8|nt|roswolf: this is on track|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h6|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dJ|nt|jbgood: another swing for Angelini i reckon|pg|| nt|athene: if things go badly wrong you can end up an embarrassingly large number down|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dT|pg|| pc|d7|nt|athene: but all is well|pg|| mc|11|nt|jbgood: running scores here: http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/orrrunda7.html|pg|| nt|davpro: Kopecky made 6@s against Rosenthal on the j of @c lead...|pg|| pg|| qx|o6|st||md|4S8652H94DAK65CJ63,SQJT9HA63DJ932C72,S743HKQ875DQ8CQ85,SAKHJT2DT74CAKT94|sv|e|mb|1N!|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s6|nt|pelu: some play for 3Nt but bad communication, so 1NT fine for EW|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s7|pc|sK|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s5|pc|sT|pc|s4|pg|| nt|dburn: well, he can duck a club|pg|| nt|pelu: @C 10 and 9 tricks|pg|| nt|dburn: and make four in each black suit and the ace of hearts|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d5|pc|d9|pc|dQ|pg|| nt|pelu: @H lead would kill 3NT|pg|| pc|h7|nt|dburn: but it's possible that on a heart lead, if North won and returned his other top heart...|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h4|pc|h3|pg|| pc|cT|pc|c3|pc|c2|pc|cQ|pg|| nt|pelu: or @D back and another @h|pg|| nt|dburn: that would work also|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h2|pc|h9|pc|hA|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s3|pc|d7|pc|s2|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|d8|pc|dT|pc|s8|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c5|pc|cA|pc|c6|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cJ|mc|10|pg|| qx|c6|st||md|4S8652H94DAK65CJ63,SQJT9HA63DJ932C72,S743HKQ875DQ8CQ85,SAKHJT2DT74CAKT94|sv|e|nt|bagman: If declarer planned to steal a the spade, she should have tried it before drawing trumps; the early play should have been either the steal attempt or claim -3 :)|pg|| nt|bridge_one: in other room the auction was different, so the lead was @C|pg|| nt|jbgood: nice major fits around the table|pg|| nt|jbgood: I may just have to stand corrected - i am told that Angelini in the OR also bid to 6 @s|pg|| nt|davpro: There will be (high) bidding :)|pg|| nt|MolvaM: leader board and running scores http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/oswleaderb.html|pg|| mb|1C|nt|roswolf: 4@S seems to be good here|pg|| mb|p|nt|roswolf: this could be colorful|pg|| mb|1H!|nt|MolvaM: 2d alerted?|pg|| nt|roswolf: yeah @D:)|pg|| nt|MolvaM: ok means no 4 card spades|pg|| mb|p|nt|bridge_one: 3@H for N/S and 3@S for E/W here|pg|| nt|runnerup: may end for double partscore swing|pg|| nt|MolvaM: thanks kibs|pg|| nt|roswolf: yes they use 1NT to show 4 spades +a longer minor|pg|| nt|MolvaM: Im told zmud-bal play the raptor convention |pg|| nt|roswolf: west has an automatic 4@S|pg|| nt|MolvaM: maybe invented by a mr raptor? :)|pg|| nt|pelu: par-contract is 6@d - 5@s and 5@d making|pg|| nt|MolvaM: west thinks abt how many spades to bid?|pg|| nt|pelu: red against green 4@S is fine|pg|| nt|roswolf: n/s comphrensively outbid the americans on the last one|pg|| mb|1N!|nt|bridge_one: 2@H open probably 10/12 constructive (and 2@D multi)|pg|| nt|davpro: When preempting with 3 in a minor you normally do not have a 4 card major. Nothing said about 5 card suits :)|pg|| nt|roswolf: even on 3 rounds of trumps|pg|| mb|p|nt|jbgood: hehe|pg|| nt|roswolf: DBL presumably just shows cards|pg|| nt|Walddk4: Welcome to Gy Szalay|pg|| nt|szalay: hi all|pg|| nt|roswolf: and here a thin 3nt|pg|| nt|athene: hi|pg|| nt|roswolf: hi:)|pg|| mb|2C!|nt|roswolf: well now judgment comes into it|pg|| nt|MolvaM: 5 level belongs to the opps :)|pg|| nt|pelu: diff to decide on 5-level|pg|| nt|roswolf: south tempted to bid 6?|pg|| nt|MolvaM: zmud cant be sure of void spades so will probably pass|pg|| nt|athene: 1@C natural (ish), strong (ish) and forcing|pg|| nt|szalay: N-S are a rare pair from Hungary: they r not from Budapest|pg|| nt|szalay: from our Sun City, Szeged, and could improve a lot thx to BBO|pg|| nt|Walddk4: Are you saying people don't play bridge outside Budapest?|pg|| mb|p|nt|pelu: for sure W cant bid 5@s - but I have been wrong before :)|pg|| mb|2N!|nt|bagman: Having showed 44 majors and getting no reaction from partner, W could show his 3 card support expecting to be in a decent trump suit|pg|| mb|p|nt|eamongall: If anybody is following a pair you can find their probable table from the following |pg|| nt|jbgood: Boye may lead a club now and get a plus score ag 5|pg|| nt|roswolf: i think it was the @C position which influenced him more|pg|| nt|roswolf: not much to the play the club ace is right or it isnt:)|pg|| nt|athene: if west invites, east might bid it on the strength of the good club suit, even though he is minimum in terms of hcp|pg|| nt|szalay: not really, they r from Szeged and few pairs from Pecs|pg|| mb|p|nt|bagman: S wants to compete but the majors are behind her so she gives up|pg|| nt|bridge_one: Q@C help ,,, opps |pg|| mb|p|nt|szalay: Hungary is more or less Budapest orientated, bridge is even centralized|pg|| nt|athene: difficult lead problem for south|pg|| pc|h9|nt|bridge_one: OK|pg|| nt|roswolf: the clubs can of course be set up here for 12 tricks|pg|| nt|pelu: 1@H - 4@D - 4@S - 5@D and 51S by Helgemo!|pg|| nt|pelu: 15 INP to Monaco |pg|| nt|MolvaM: no so easy if east ducks|pg|| nt|athene: north could have made life easier, perhaps, by doubling 1@H|pg|| nt|athene: but he finds the heart anyway|pg|| nt|roswolf: indeed|pg|| nt|athene: some play a double of these transfer responses as some sort of takeout double anyway|pg|| nt|athene: for example after nebulous 1@C - 1@H [spades], X = diamonds and hearts, and 1@S = clubs and hearts|pg|| nt|Walddk4: http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/oswrunda3.html|pg|| nt|athene: but without special agreements of that sort i would have thought double would just be hearts and 1@S would be takeout, the same as after a transfer over 1nt|pg|| nt|szalay: Mr. Zsak is teacher of Szeged bridge, he was teacher of Mr. Cseho of other table when he attended Faculty of Medicine there. as u know: he is my psychiatrist:)|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hQ|nt|jbgood: even 6@h a good save over 4@s:)|pg|| nt|jbgood: spade ace and a club takes it 1 down|pg|| nt|davpro: Defense better take their tricks at once...|pg|| pc|h2|pg|| nt|jbgood: north really bid his hand to the limit:)|pg|| nt|MolvaM: 27 teams from group-A will qualify for the knockouts. and 5 teams from group-B|pg|| nt|athene: :)|pg|| nt|athene: east might try ducking in dummy and dropping the @H10 to induce north to lay down the @HK|pg|| nt|athene: but that would only work if south would lead the @H9 from @H9xx|pg|| nt|szalay: as u know: we, Hungarians try to avoid D lead vs NT|pg|| nt|athene: D = doubleton or diamond?|pg|| nt|szalay: diamond|pg|| pc|c8|nt|MolvaM: 15 how? 5s cant be made I think|pg|| pc|cK|nt|eamongall: We are covering tables 8-15 as shown on the results web page ... so the bottom 8 lines are tables H G F E A B C D in that order |pg|| nt|jbgood: @s 6 for a club now|pg|| pc|c3|nt|jbgood: Boye should be able to read that|pg|| nt|roswolf: and probably on this layout so can 6@D|pg|| pc|c2|pg|| nt|athene: declarer can't untangle his black suits here|pg|| pc|sK|nt|szalay: Diamonds for girls, u know|pg|| pc|s2|nt|eamongall: http://b.poznan2011.pl/mxp/fa.html|pg|| pc|s9|nt|davpro: E could hold 764 from W view|pg|| pc|s7|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s5|nt|eamongall: this is table 13 of 15 in play tables and 3rd line from bottom of scoresheet |pg|| pc|sT|nt|jbgood: but difficult to think that prd has 5 spades (and a @c void...)|pg|| pc|s3|pg|| nt|athene: if he unblocks the @SAK he can't get to his clubs|pg|| pc|d4|nt|pelu: sorry 5@S down 1 - so only 7 IMP|pg|| nt|szalay: time for hoping up|pg|| nt|athene: of course we can all see @DK, heart gets the job done|pg|| nt|athene: but not so easy for south|pg|| nt|szalay: I dont see any layout when small is the correct card|pg|| nt|athene: his partner might have singleton @DQ for example|pg|| nt|roswolf: indeed not|pg|| nt|szalay: he knows pd's cards|pg|| pc|dK|nt|bagman: Now E can ruff the diamond and try the heart to the K|pg|| nt|eamongall: Most pairs move to the table of the pair below them next ... ie 12 goes where 11 used to be |pg|| pc|d2|nt|jbgood: no - then the 7 for his known strenth|pg|| pc|d8|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hA|nt|roswolf: well THE RESULT IN THE OTHER ROOM SPEAKS FOT ITSELF|pg|| nt|MolvaM: wow|pg|| nt|MolvaM: amazingly 5s was made. cant see how|pg|| nt|athene: maybe the 2NT bid denied four diamonds|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hT|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s4|nt|szalay: and dummy play is a hint as well|pg|| pc|c4|nt|bagman: The heart attempt is likely to fail as N has shown @DA and @CK already|pg|| pc|s6|pg|| nt|szalay: nice defence, anyway|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|h7|nt|bagman: but there was nothing better to try|pg|| nt|athene: if so, that is another example of how much easier you make life for the defence when you tell them exactly what declarer has|pg|| nt|roswolf: very true|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|davpro: From declarer view E has got 2+@c, so @c to T is the only thing that might work|pg|| pc|s8|pg|| nt|bagman: NS currently the 7th; EW about that much from the bottom|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dQ|nt|bridge_one: J @H A K and @C would discard a @D over the good @C in the dummy|pg|| nt|davpro: what do I know...|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d5|pg|| pc|hK|pc|c9|pc|d6|pc|h6|pg|| pc|h8|pc|cT|pc|c6|nt|szalay: well deserved 7 imps|pg|| pc|c7|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cA|pc|cJ|pc|d9|pg|| pc|dT|pc|dA|pc|dJ|pc|cQ|pg|| pg|| qx|o7|st||md|1S2HAKJTDT853CQ652,SAT86HQ5DK42CJ743,S9754H8432DJ76CA9,SKQJ3H976DAQ9CKT8|sv|b|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1N|an|14-16|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: Welcome to Kit Woolsey|pg|| mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2S|nt|kit: hi everybody|pg|| mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|dburn: must be up even earlier than I am|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Or later|pg|| nt|kit: later :)|pg|| nt|Walddk2: 1:50 am in California?|pg|| pc|hA|nt|kit: Normal game, but slated for defeat|pg|| nt|pelu: no problem for defense down 1|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h3|nt|dburn: game on a little bit more than the club finesse, so reasonable enough vulnerable|pg|| pc|h6|pg|| pc|hK|pc|hQ|pc|h2|pc|h7|pg|| nt|dburn: down one? mabe down two if South shifts to clubs|pg|| nt|kit: a lot more than the club finesse it looks like to me|pg|| pc|d3|nt|dburn: true - the club spots aren't that good, so he does need more than just the queen onside|pg|| nt|kit: Declarer must have queen of clubs on, and with correct defense would have to guess whether to play North for Q9 or AQ|pg|| nt|dburn: and he may go down more than one even without a club shift, since he'll need to tackle the suit before all the trumps are drawn|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dJ|pc|dA|pg|| nt|kit: Best play is to lead jack, so if it goes queen, king, South may be induced to take ace if he has it|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s2|nt|pelu: normal play @C to 9 and 10, and then no @c-ruff|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s4|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|kit: Of course with Greco a passed hand this is all moot -- he can't have ace of clubs, so play Hampson for AQ|pg|| pc|hT|nt|dburn: normal play may be for North to go up with @cA and play another - then he will get a ruff|pg|| nt|kit: today2|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s5|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c9|pc|cT|pc|cQ|pg|| nt|pfbr: morning Roland@h|pg|| nt|kit: Good point David -- North has nothing to lose by doing that since if declarer has K10 doubleton he would never misguess|pg|| nt|dburn: a big swing to Hungary, who played an adventurous 4@h rather than a safe 3@d on board 5|pg|| nt|kit: I think if defense plays diamonds here, declarer's communication gets tangled and he will go down 2.|pg|| nt|dburn: and found hearts 3-2, diamonds 2-2 with the king onside, scored 650, and took the lead|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|s8|pc|h4|pc|h9|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Morning Anita @H Thanks for the love letter|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cA|pc|cK|pc|c2|pg|| pc|h8|nt|pfbr: your welcome :) @h|pg|| nt|kit: In fact this is effective also, due to spade spots|pg|| pc|s3|pc|c6|pc|d4|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d5|pc|dK|pc|d6|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|s7|pc|c8|pc|c5|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sJ|pc|d8|pc|sT|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dT|pc|c7|pc|d7|pg|| pg|| qx|c7|st||md|1S2HAKJTDT853CQ652,SAT86HQ5DK42CJ743,S9754H8432DJ76CA9,SKQJ3H976DAQ9CKT8|sv|b|nt|hawe45: 4 @S making - good luck|pg|| nt|jbgood: playing for the singleton jack with E:) |pg|| nt|davpro: @c to T was obviously wrong if E has 2 @c...I'm sleeping|pg|| nt|jbgood: not the precentage play:)|pg|| nt|davpro: no- @c 2-2|pg|| nt|jbgood: yes|pg|| nt|jbgood: sleeping too:)|pg|| nt|roswolf: yes angelini not getting their own way|pg|| mb|p|nt|bridge_one: 5@H 2 down|pg|| mb|p|nt|roswolf: hmm mysterious|pg|| nt|pelu: @H AK |pg|| nt|MolvaM: ahh defence played @hAK|pg|| nt|szalay: funny, that I read interviews about Fantunes-Angelini affair this morning|pg|| mb|p|mb|1C|mb|p|nt|roswolf: not a good result for hungary in the other room|pg|| mb|1H!|nt|bridge_one: 4@S correct bid !|pg|| nt|MolvaM: well that was a bit of a careless defence I thk|pg|| nt|roswolf: indeed|pg|| nt|roswolf: dont like the spade overcall|pg|| nt|MolvaM: well the alternative is also not attractive|pg|| mb|p|nt|jbgood: 5@s made on the unfortunate lead of the @c ace next door|pg|| nt|jbgood: doubled to boot|pg|| mb|1S!|nt|roswolf: transfer to spades|pg|| nt|roswolf: 1@H|pg|| nt|szalay: I doubt anyone could miss a game here|pg|| mb|p|nt|runnerup: north has not found hearts obfiously -so svedish increasing lead perhaps|pg|| mb|2H!|nt|bagman: E doesn't want to lead from her collection|pg|| nt|bagman: Every card might be right or wrong|pg|| nt|roswolf: but lavazza may suffer in the end|pg|| nt|szalay: and I wd like to be in 4S, anyway|pg|| nt|athene: most bid more than 1@S with four-card support but i am sure they will unravel it all|pg|| nt|roswolf: OH I COULD VERY EASILY:) |pg|| nt|szalay: this game about vulnerable bonuses, more or less|pg|| nt|roswolf: might not be good play but.....|pg|| mb|p|nt|roswolf: well a simple 4@S on this one|pg|| nt|MolvaM: but congrats geoffrey for yr prediction powers|pg|| mb|2S|nt|szalay: bridge wd be a very boring game if we could bid seen by both hands|pg|| mb|p|mb|3N|nt|MolvaM: u sensed that defence coming and predicted 5s making :)|pg|| nt|roswolf: this is cheeky|pg|| nt|MolvaM: wasnt a very scientific sequence|pg|| nt|MolvaM: but effective apparently|pg|| nt|MolvaM: looks like he will establish the 5th heart|pg|| nt|MolvaM: for his 10th trick|pg|| nt|roswolf: yes methinks he is very lucky|pg|| mb|p|nt|pelu: easy game here - time to go for coffee :)|pg|| nt|pelu: but go fast :)|pg|| nt|MolvaM: here is the running scores and current ranking http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/oswleaderb.html|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|MolvaM: 46 teams playing in group A (27 will qualify), and 74 teams playing in group B (only 5 teams will qualify)|pg|| nt|roswolf: you need to qualify for SWISS A then:)|pg|| pc|hA|nt|szalay: I predict 3 imps for Angelini|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h8|pc|h6|pg|| nt|MolvaM: goes for the crossruff|pg|| pc|hK|nt|hawe45: Trump-lead, North then ducked the @D...|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h2|pc|h7|pg|| nt|roswolf: i oncerad a statistic -if after a normal opening bid you bid game whenever you are vul you gain on average 8+ imps unless your opps double 66% of the time!: i doubted those stats ...|pg|| nt|roswolf: at the time but i am getting more convinced the more i play/watch the game|pg|| nt|roswolf: once read|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|s6|nt|MolvaM: ohh|pg|| nt|szalay: if u watch (and especially play) more, u know more:)|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h9|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s4|pc|sJ|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s3|pc|dT|nt|MolvaM: lost his way|pg|| pc|sT|nt|roswolf: this is not the best line- if you overcall on that garbage you need to play it well|pg|| pc|s5|pg|| nt|athene: on a club lead north could rise ace and play another :) now declarer might finesse as his only chance to make|pg|| nt|athene: thinking north might have @CAQx and be trying to scare him out of a winning play|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c9|pc|cT|pc|cQ|pg|| nt|bagman: Declarer was sure about 7 tricks and had a shot for 9 (diamonds 3-3); he did not want to try anything in hearts because he might have lost 4 spade tricks|pg|| nt|athene: that would be the two down|pg|| nt|szalay: re|pg|| nt|roswolf: rehi|pg|| nt|athene: welcome back :)|pg|| pc|hT|pc|sA|pc|h4|nt|szalay: hope u missed me (and my sarchastic view)|pg|| nt|athene: so just one down and 3 imps as predicted|pg|| pc|c8|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cA|pc|cK|pc|c2|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o8|st||md|2SQT8H74DKQJ732CQ2,SA52HQT985D5C9875,SK3HAJ62DT64CAJT6,SJ9764HK3DA98CK43|sv|o|nt|Walddk2: http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/oswrunda3.html|pg|| mb|p|mb|1D!|nt|dburn: another non-bioupgradeable 13 count|pg|| mb|p|nt|vugraphpld: http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/oswleaderb.html|pg|| nt|kit: Greco will make inverted "raise"|pg|| nt|kit: of course it isn't really a raise, since 1@D not necessarily real suit|pg|| nt|Walddk2: 2+ cards|pg|| mb|2D!|an|4+!d, F1|mb|p|mb|2H!|nt|kit: I think 2@H is artificial, showing balanced hand|pg|| mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s6|pc|s8|pc|s2|pc|s3|pg|| nt|kit: I think the black queens will let this make, although a heart shift could creat problems|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d5|pc|d4|pc|d8|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|c9|pc|d6|pc|d9|pg|| nt|kit: he has to continue diamonds -- not enough tricks without the diamond suit|pg|| pc|d2|pc|h9|pc|dT|pc|dA|pg|| nt|dburn: more IMPs to Hungary, who found an effective lead on board 6 to beat 2NT while 1NT made nine tricks in this room|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sT|pc|sA|pc|sK|pg|| nt|kit: heart shift only chance for defense, but not good enough|pg|| pc|h8|pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h4|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hK|pc|h7|pc|h5|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sQ|pc|s5|pc|c6|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|hT|pc|hJ|pc|c3|pg|| pc|d7|pc|c8|pc|cT|pc|s9|pg|| pc|d3|pc|c5|pc|h6|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c7|pc|cA|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cK|pc|c2|pc|hQ|pg|| pg|| qx|c8|st||md|2SQT8H74DKQJ732CQ2,SA52HQT985D5C9875,SK3HAJ62DT64CAJT6,SJ9764HK3DA98CK43|sv|o|nt|eamongall: My good friends here McGann and Brown |pg|| nt|eamongall: they owe me several pints of guiness |pg|| nt|bridge_one: 4@S made in other room ecause duck the A in @D|pg|| nt|jbgood: 4@s and coffee time|pg|| nt|davpro: I've got coffee all the time :)|pg|| nt|roswolf: yes another hidden advantage of bidding vul games:)|pg|| mb|p|nt|MolvaM: yes. but could be more difficult to stay in the top 27 there|pg|| mb|1C|nt|roswolf: this could be nip and tuck|pg|| mb|1S|nt|szalay: btw I am quite glad to (present) outcome of this match. I like this guys (and secret, pls) I am not big fan of Fantunes|pg|| nt|athene: well, it's not over yet...|pg|| nt|roswolf: our lips are sealed:)|pg|| mb|1N|nt|runnerup: nothing should happen here but ..|pg|| nt|athene: not by any means automatic to wander into 3nt with these NS cards|pg|| nt|szalay: wd be anyone pass with East hand?|pg|| mb|2S|nt|roswolf: indeed|pg|| nt|roswolf: i hate the overcall|pg|| nt|roswolf: yes|pg|| mb|p|nt|Walddk2: Welcome to Barbara Apel|pg|| nt|barbyh: hi all, Barbara from Las vegas|pg|| mb|p|nt|szalay: may be I am alone, but dont feel any positive to overcall with hand, especially with passed pd|pg|| mb|3D|nt|eamongall: a decent score for NS for 1NT up 2 on board 7 |pg|| nt|bagman: The spade lead was unlucky for NS|pg|| nt|athene: south might try 3@D now|pg|| mb|p|nt|eamongall: well there is a generous lead from McGann he won;t be happy |pg|| nt|hawe45: A fast - flat - board|pg|| mb|p|nt|bridge_one: i bet 10 tricks here :)|pg|| nt|roswolf: precisely|pg|| mb|p|nt|athene: i would overcall for sure|pg|| nt|roswolf: after 3@D i think north has an automatic 3nt|pg|| pc|hT|nt|szalay: I think 1N is a tipical underbid by underdogs vs, world classes|pg|| nt|szalay: at least 2N is sufficient|pg|| nt|athene: well, the problem is you know you don't want to play in 2nt|pg|| nt|roswolf: west has seen his pard's overcalls before|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|nt|athene: you want to play in 1nt or 3nt or a diamond partscore|pg|| pc|h4|pg|| nt|barbyh: could have heldthem to 1 less|pg|| nt|bagman: There is a theory, which states that against blind 3NT one should lead from the worse 4-carder from a 4432|pg|| nt|barbyh: against matchpoints or imps?|pg|| nt|bagman: both|pg|| nt|bagman: I don't subscribe to that theory but I was told that it was backed up by a huge simulation|pg|| nt|eamongall: The good news for McGann on the last board is some 3NT+2 company is appearing ...|pg|| nt|bagman: who knows; at least it makes leading easy|pg|| nt|barbyh: true, |pg|| nt|barbyh: well in this case lead from a club and you holdthemto 4|pg|| nt|bagman: The diamond lead (suggested by the theory) holds the contract to 4, too|pg|| nt|MolvaM: after tomorrow evening the knockouts will start with 32 teams|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d8|pc|dJ|pc|d5|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c5|pc|c6|pc|cK|pg|| nt|szalay: 2D is an option as well, but u have stopper and kinda D suit, when u dont need length help|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h7|nt|davpro: the @d losers vanished|pg|| nt|jbgood: not easy to find the @d lead|pg|| nt|davpro: nope|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h2|pg|| nt|athene: south just has a harder problem over 1@S than if east passed|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s8|pc|sA|pc|s3|pg|| nt|roswolf: another poor contract but more reasonable to bid|pg|| nt|athene: that's one reason for overcalling|pg|| nt|szalay: if he has sthg extras, lets play 3N. 2D and 3D isnt bad, but very likely he will decline without AofD|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sK|pc|s4|pc|sT|pg|| pc|d6|pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|c7|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o9|st||md|3SQ73HT862DQJ83C65,SAJT8HAQJ5DA2CK72,SK94H943D9CAQJT84,S652HK7DKT7654C93|sv|e|mb|2C!|an|precision|mb|p|mb|p|nt|kit: 6+ clubs, 10-15|pg|| mb|d|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3N|nt|dburn: awkward for East-West, this|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|dburn: 3NT is a pretty awful contract, but there wasn't a lot they could do to avoid it|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|kit: true -- East doesn't know the diamonds won't run|pg|| nt|pelu: can u tell me why Fantoni-Nunes play for Angelini - after they moved to Monaco I exp them only to play for Zimmermann?|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c6|pc|c2|pg|| nt|pelu: I am told that this agreement was in place before the ageement with Zimmermann - so that explain - tx|pg|| nt|kit: This duck best chance -- depending on whether Hampson continues clubs or shifts, declarer will try to play diamonds so as to lose to the safe hand|pg|| nt|kit: If clubs continued, South will be safe hand. If shift, North will be safe hand|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h7|nt|dburn: may have to continue clubs, else declarer has a chance without the diamonds|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d9|pc|d4|pc|d3|pg|| pc|d2|nt|dburn: since he can take three spades, four hearts, and two diamonds|pg|| pc|h4|nt|kit: Logical shift -- he knows his partner can stop the diamonds, or first trick wouldn't have been ducked|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d8|pg|| nt|pelu: now 9 trick 2 x @s finess|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|sT|pc|sK|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hK|pc|h6|pc|h5|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s7|pc|sA|pc|s4|pg|| pc|hA|nt|kit: yes, turns out continuing clubs would have been better|pg|| pc|c4|pc|d5|pc|h8|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|cJ|pc|d6|pc|hT|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s9|pc|s6|pc|sQ|pg|| nt|dburn: difficult for Hampson - if his partner had only one diamond guard but some help in spades, he had to do what he did|pg|| nt|pelu: he played N for !KQx - endplay|pg|| mc|7|pg|| qx|c9|st||md|3SQ73HT862DQJ83C65,SAJT8HAQJ5DA2CK72,SK94H943D9CAQJT84,S652HK7DKT7654C93|sv|e|nt|bagman: I probably would have lead the @S, too :( (maybe there's something in that theory, after all)|pg|| nt|hawe45: West must play this 3 NT|pg|| nt|roswolf: more distributional hands|pg|| nt|athene: well 2@D-3@D does show a decent hand so if he has some extra hcp he will bid it anyway|pg|| nt|szalay: suddent death is coming|pg|| mb|1C|nt|runnerup: 3nt in wrong hand so chance for Zaleski|pg|| nt|hawe45: South led a small @C, but East had to go wrong|pg|| mb|p|nt|bridge_one: no|pg|| nt|MolvaM: we just love deals with a void rite? :)|pg|| nt|roswolf: :)|pg|| nt|pelu: 11 tricks in @s|pg|| nt|roswolf: hmm 3nt is unlucky to fail here|pg|| nt|szalay: but it rather looks hungarian death:(|pg|| mb|1H|nt|bridge_one: 1@D 3@D easy ...|pg|| nt|runnerup: 3nt opening not everyones choice|pg|| mb|d|mb|r!|nt|MolvaM: 2nt is?|pg|| mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2N|nt|runnerup: winnig some ipms strange way|pg|| nt|hawe45: To miss this 5 @D - played by West - will bring Zaleski 8 IMP|pg|| nt|jbgood: http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/orrrunda7.html enables you to follow the exciting fights for 3rd place in some of the groups|pg|| mb|p|nt|roswolf: this looks boring with no heart barrage|pg|| nt|MolvaM: spade fit and?|pg|| nt|pelu: 5@H could cost 500|pg|| nt|MolvaM: 5@h could just escape for down 3 I guess|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|nt|bagman: W has so much extras that he can afford to bid the game in NT instead of looking for the spades|pg|| nt|jbgood: 3 teams go to the A Swiss - and the others to B|pg|| mb|p|nt|davpro: 9 tricks in NT here|pg|| mb|p|nt|szalay: what wd u say as west? i feel it normal 1n|pg|| pc|cJ|nt|szalay: good lead:)|pg|| nt|athene: this match does illustrate the "game every hand" philosophy - most deals at least one pair is in game, and when one side bid game and the other didn't, the aggressive action ...|pg|| nt|athene: usually gained|pg|| nt|roswolf: @CQ followed by a diamond switch is possible|pg|| pc|c3|nt|bridge_one: 4@D great choice by Versace|pg|| nt|roswolf: 2@S seemed to be too optimistic with no fit for pard's suit|pg|| nt|roswolf: ot @CJ:)|pg|| pc|c6|nt|athene: 31 imps so far for people in game when other room played partscore|pg|| nt|szalay: btw support X instead of 2C is queationable with so nice C suit|pg|| nt|athene: many play support double is obligatory|pg|| nt|roswolf: I CERTAINLY DO|pg|| nt|athene: even with xxx and AKQJ10xx :)|pg|| nt|szalay: we opened cause we have so nice C suit|pg|| nt|szalay: I said only: questionable, may be I wd XX myself|pg|| nt|athene: nunes knows if he wins this he doesn't have much chance|pg|| pc|cK|pg|| nt|runnerup: perhaps even he didnt expect mojor Q eens to table |pg|| nt|roswolf: really|pg|| pc|c2|nt|athene: but ducking could lead to even more down of course|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c9|pc|c5|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|roswolf: really!?|pg|| nt|szalay: btw its the correct line if @Cs are 5-3|pg|| nt|athene: he has 8 tricks so he wants north to cash out his clubs - hoping he just loses four tricks and then has a spade-diamond squeeze|pg|| pc|d4|nt|jbgood: i guess they play 2@c as game force - but not sure. if so, E may have regretted his pass, 3 nt always on|pg|| nt|MolvaM: 4s showed fit+limit hand|pg|| nt|roswolf: this looks -1|pg|| pc|h6|pc|c7|pg|| pc|cT|nt|szalay: and try for D-S squeeze|pg|| mc|8|nt|roswolf: maybe -2|pg|| nt|roswolf: obviously west thought 1@C was short ish|pg|| pg|| qx|o10|st||md|4S3HQT8DA976CKJT72,SKJ92HK74DKQ53C95,SQT76H963DJT8CA63,SA854HAJ52D42CQ84|sv|b|nt|kit: But if declarer had Axx of diamonds, Hampson's defense would have been right|pg|| nt|dburn: still, declarer seems to have gone wrong anyway - I don't know why, since he couldn't make the contract playing like that|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|pelu: oh yes if N !KQx - then endplay on @Sq to give the 9. trick on @CK|pg|| mb|1D|an|2+!d|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|nt|dburn: sorry - that must indeed have been what he was hoping for|pg|| mb|4S|nt|pelu: he know N was 3-3-1-6, so a fair chance|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|dburn: not a good mornign for bidding rotten games|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d2|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| pc|d6|pc|dK|pc|d8|pc|d4|pg|| nt|dburn: which will mean that everyone will go down a lot, since everyone bids rotten games on every board nowdays|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|s3|pg|| pc|s4|nt|vugraphpld: next round about 11:45|pg|| nt|pelu: on "only" need to find @Sq xx in S ? @DQ in N|pg|| pc|c2|nt|vugraphpld: http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/oswrunda3.html|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s7|pg|| pc|d5|pc|dT|pc|s5|pc|d7|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h8|pc|hK|pc|h3|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|sT|pc|c4|pc|d9|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s8|pc|c7|pc|s9|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c8|pc|cT|pc|c5|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|c9|pg|| nt|pelu: but I cant see where W could find values for 4@s - but when 3@S is down and no X it is not soexpensive|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|sJ|pc|c3|pc|h5|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h6|pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h7|pc|h9|pc|hA|pg|| nt|vugraphpld: bye all|pg|| pg|| qx|c10|st||md|4S3HQT8DA976CKJT72,SKJ92HK74DKQ53C95,SQT76H963DJT8CA63,SA854HAJ52D42CQ84|sv|b|nt|jbgood: last one in the round robin |pg|| nt|jbgood: and cards lie badly for EW|pg|| nt|roswolf: We are now on the last board of the set. Thanks to our operator - Great Job! Our appreciation to all the organisers for ensuring that this fine event is brought to BBO vugraph. ...|pg|| nt|roswolf: Thanks too to my very learned fellow commentators Murat and Peter for their company and perceptive comments and to our specs whose contributions keep us on our toes.|pg|| nt|MolvaM: ok last board of the match|pg|| nt|MolvaM: next match to start in 29 minutes|pg|| nt|roswolf: We are now on the last board of the set. Thanks to our operator - Great Job! Our appreciation to all the organisers for ensuring that this fine event is brought to BBO vugraph. ...|pg|| nt|roswolf: Thanks too to my very learned fellow commentators Murat and John for their company and perceptive comments and to our specs whose contributions keep us on our toes.|pg|| nt|szalay: btw D-S squeeze is very unlikely|pg|| nt|roswolf: sorry dont agree|pg|| nt|szalay: to be honest|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1N|nt|roswolf: We are now on the last board of the set. Thanks to our operator, Ilya - Great Job! Our appreciation to all the organisers for ensuring that this fine event is brought to BBO ...|pg|| nt|roswolf: vugraph. Thanks too to my very learned fellow commentators Gyorgy and Bill for their company and perceptive comments and to our specs whose contributions keep us on our toes.|pg|| mb|p|mb|2C|nt|MolvaM: now 28 :)|pg|| mb|d|mb|2S|nt|bagman: EW can make here 10 tricks in NT on a club lead 11 tricks otherwise|pg|| nt|MolvaM: 5 more matches will be played tomorrow and then 27 teams from group A, and 5 teams from group B will proceed to the knockouts|pg|| nt|athene: Fantunes are sort of forced to play weak notrump as a consequence of the rest of their system|pg|| mb|p|nt|szalay: if u know your pd is so weak for weak NT u wd pass|pg|| nt|szalay: some players have this "magic talent", others not|pg|| nt|roswolf: if they reach 4@S now north will have all the info he needs to axe|pg|| mb|p|nt|davpro: What have I missed in the bidding?|pg|| nt|MolvaM: tomorrow we start at 10.00 hrs CET|pg|| nt|roswolf: these 2 teams will surely be in contention|pg|| mb|p|nt|szalay: this partnership has this "talent"|pg|| nt|roswolf: east has heard the warning bell|pg|| nt|athene: east simply discounted his @CQ on the bidding, so he is left with a nine-count|pg|| nt|roswolf: i think that was fine judgment|pg|| nt|szalay: as I watched many times: they r frequently agressive when pd has good hand, and passive when has bad one...we call it: "magican"|pg|| pc|c3|nt|roswolf: :)|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cT|nt|pelu: only 8 trick|pg|| nt|MolvaM: good lead|pg|| pc|c5|pg|| nt|bagman: E bid 3NT to show the spade stopper in case W was interested in that; If W had a huge @H raise, he would not pass 3NT|pg|| nt|davpro: W probably showed a M?|pg|| nt|davpro: 2@d balanced hand , 3@c a major, 4@d ask major (according to a kib)|pg|| nt|jbgood: probably|pg|| nt|roswolf: a little optimistic but a fair shot|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s2|nt|pelu: @S-lead would have given the 9. trick|pg|| nt|MolvaM: normal lead actually but sometimes people dont like to lead from 5 small minors and choose a major|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sA|pg|| nt|jbgood: the curse of underleading aces|pg|| nt|davpro: :)|pg|| nt|jbgood: but still down|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d6|pc|dQ|nt|pelu: but the good old rule 4. best in yout longest suit :) - and here East has indicatet 4 card @s|pg|| nt|MolvaM: right peter :)|pg|| pc|dJ|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cA|nt|MolvaM: specs tell me board 17 was doubled in other room|pg|| pc|c8|nt|bagman: Declarer is going to run the diamonds hoping for too many heart discards|pg|| pc|c2|pg|| nt|MolvaM: if thats the case 5 imps more could go to monaco-Z |pg|| nt|roswolf: restart in 15-20mins|pg|| pc|c6|nt|runnerup: killing lead |pg|| nt|MolvaM: well we shall see|pg|| nt|roswolf: hmm the juniors have been brushed aside|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|s9|pg|| nt|davpro: Does S know who has got the @d 4?|pg|| pc|h4|nt|MolvaM: spade switch was needed|pg|| pc|h6|nt|roswolf: scheduled re-start in 22mins approx from now|pg|| nt|pelu: no X when I see the bidding in OR (direct on the tabler)|pg|| nt|athene: heart to the ace and diamond up looks plausible|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|roswolf: for results http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/oswrunda3.html|pg|| pc|hQ|pg|| nt|athene: the idea is you just want to make sure of two heart tricks and if the finesses loses you might not even get two|pg|| nt|szalay: btw first 27 from swiss A, first 5 from swiss B go to KO|pg|| nt|athene: but losing finesse doesn't matter here anyway with the nice breaks in the red suits|pg|| nt|szalay: and first 8 has the right to choose opps from 9-32|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d3|nt|bagman: There's no legitimate squeeze but it costs nothing to try|pg|| nt|MolvaM: now the defensive spade trick vanishes|pg|| nt|roswolf: yes which was why it was a fair shot|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d4|pg|| nt|davpro: I need some sleep. Thx all kibs for pointing out my stupidity|pg|| nt|dburn: I doubt he cares all that much about the four, given what happened to the ace|pg|| nt|szalay: the ranking order 9-32 is decided by NOT the result, but WBF/EBL masterpoints|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dK|nt|pelu: nice discarding by NS|pg|| nt|roswolf: yes careful|pg|| pc|dT|pc|h2|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s6|nt|jbgood: bye all|pg|| nt|davpro: bye all. I enjoyed as always.|pg|| pc|s4|pc|c7|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h3|pc|hA|pc|h8|pg|| nt|roswolf: the last rites|pg|| nt|pelu: same start in OR - the first 5 tricks|pg|| nt|roswolf: bye for now see you back in 20mins|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hT|nt|bagman: N knew that S has the @CK as E had passed|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h9|pg|| nt|szalay: this is the (one of) reason why u find players in rosters who dont play|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pc|s5|pc|d9|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s8|pc|cJ|pc|d5|pg|| pg||