vg|B EC 2011 Open Teams RR _,3_7,I,21,30,Kamil,0,WhiteHouse,0| rs|3DN+2,3HE-3,3NN+2,6NN=,2SE-2,3DW-2,3SN-1,3SN=,4SS+1,4SN+2,2NW-2,2SE-1,2SW-1,2SW-1,6CN=,6CN=,2SW=,3NE-1,3NS-1,3NS-1| pn|Weinstein,Schollaard,Kamil,Wortel,Molenaar,Amoils,Verbeek,Hurd|pg|| qx|o21|st||md|3SAQ2HT9DQ9874CQ83,ST763HKQ42DT5CT74,S85HJ53DAJ632CAK5,SKJ94HA876DKCJ962|sv|n|mb|1D|mb|d|mb|2N!|nt|eggy: Hi everyone|pg|| mb|p|nt|eggy: Live standings are on http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/orrleaderb.html|pg|| nt|roswolf: hi all|pg|| mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3D|nt|roswolf: well if you are psychic and find the diamond k then 3nt is on ice|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|eggy: Which you may do if EW start with hearts I suppose|pg|| pc|s4|nt|roswolf: this is safe - a solid usa type contract|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sT|pc|s5|pg|| nt|roswolf: hi steve|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d5|pc|dA|pc|dK|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c21|st||md|3SAQ2HT9DQ9874CQ83,ST763HKQ42DT5CT74,S85HJ53DAJ632CAK5,SKJ94HA876DKCJ962|sv|n|nt|peachy: team names are not right, but I guess we'll get there|pg|| mb|1D|nt|granguru: HI|pg|| mb|d|mb|2S|nt|pelu: hi|pg|| mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|nt|paulg: Results for the first match in the round-robin can be seen at http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/orrleaderb.html|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|d4|pc|d5|nt|granguru: finally we got to a std 3NT|pg|| nt|pelu: all card well placed = 12 tricks|pg|| pc|dA|pc|dK|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|s3|pg|| pc|sA|nt|pelu: also 3Nt in OR|pg|| pc|s6|nt|granguru: funnily if opens the hand (1N) there is a good chance to arrive at 6@C|pg|| nt|paulg: could be worth a couple of imps if it is played by West in the other room|pg|| pc|s8|pc|s9|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s7|pc|h3|pc|sJ|pg|| nt|peachy: This will slide a couple off, but small gain for EW anyway, undoubled|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|c4|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dT|pc|d2|pc|h6|pg|| nt|granguru: but thaa|pg|| nt|henryb: looks like -3 to me for a push the hard way|pg|| nt|peachy: push, actually, I forgot the spade ruff|pg|| mc|6|pg|| qx|o22|st||md|4SAT3H932DQJ7CA973,SQ52HJ654DT4CQ842,SK986HAQT8DAK8CK5,SJ74HK7D96532CJT6|sv|e|nt|eggy: no pressure in 3D of course, he may not have done as well in 3NT :)|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|2N|nt|roswolf: another 3nt!?|pg|| mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|roswolf: wonder what the range is theorectically - 20-22!? if so south should make a try|pg|| pc|d2|nt|eggy: not that convinced with 4333, but perhaps they play a tighter range anyway|pg|| nt|bigtrain: doubt its 20-22... more likely 20-21|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d4|pc|d8|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h4|pc|hT|pc|hK|pg|| nt|roswolf: http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/orrleaderb.html is the site for running scores and team details|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d7|pc|dT|pc|dA|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h7|pc|h9|pc|h5|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s4|pc|sA|pc|s2|pg|| pc|h3|pc|h6|pc|h8|pc|d6|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|d3|pc|c3|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s7|pc|s3|pc|s5|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sJ|pc|sT|pc|sQ|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c22|st||md|4SAT3H932DQJ7CA973,SQ52HJ654DT4CQ842,SK986HAQT8DAK8CK5,SJ74HK7D96532CJT6|sv|e|nt|granguru: not a good slam |pg|| nt|granguru: another potential slam here|pg|| nt|granguru: a better one thou|pg|| nt|pelu: only need to play @s-siut with no loser|pg|| nt|granguru: still it needs @s 2-2 or stiff honor in E and a good guess|pg|| nt|granguru: hi all|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|pelu: Hi all - as every time there are problems before the first match - players has to find the right table and so on|pg|| mb|1C|an| |nt|pelu: not with odds - but better that a "Roland-slam"|pg|| mb|p|nt|paulg: Pleased to see that South has a name, but I think I'll stick with 'South'|pg|| nt|granguru: exchange black Q´s and it would have been a rock iron contract|pg|| mb|1S|an| |nt|pelu: we begin with a possible slam|pg|| mb|p|nt|pelu: Rodwell did open the N hand with 1NT???|pg|| mb|2N|an| |nt|peachy: Hi John|pg|| mb|p|nt|granguru: I would have done it if @CK|pg|| nt|paulg: i think many in the field will bid this one|pg|| mb|3D|mb|p|nt|granguru: NICE TO see u again Raija |pg|| nt|granguru: 11 tricks|pg|| nt|peachy: Convention cards are not available so unfprtunately we cannot explain bidding|pg|| nt|granguru: at NT or any Moysean|pg|| mb|3H|mb|p|nt|pelu: and I would open 1@D 100% (=4+@d)|pg|| nt|paulg: North has distribution and they have a lot of controls|pg|| nt|granguru: 4@C cue X @Cs|pg|| nt|granguru: N could have xx to show second round ctrl|pg|| nt|pelu: when N open 1Nt then Meckstroth has no slam ambitions|pg|| nt|pelu: RD = 1. round control|pg|| nt|granguru: but then it is more complicate to show @d ctrls|pg|| nt|granguru: RD is second if 4@C was first|pg|| mb|4N|mb|p|nt|pelu: @H-lead - 2x@s and @C finess|pg|| mb|6D|nt|pelu: ok that makes life easyer for dsecl|pg|| mb|p|nt|granguru: If I would be forced to guess 1@C strong 1@S=4 ctrls 2N nat 19-21 3@D @C ctrl no @D ctrl|pg|| mb|6N|mb|p|nt|paulg: It is much easier for us, but can South have less than this to make a slam try with no heart control?|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|peachy: lots of work in 6NT, not impossible I think, but rather aggressive|pg|| nt|granguru: a passive lead is a must here|pg|| nt|peachy: I'm thinking E will lead club, that would be my choice|pg|| nt|granguru: it seems 3@d was nat as N went on to 6@d|pg|| nt|peachy: but I am not in Hurd's class of player so we'll see|pg|| nt|granguru: most passive is @D|pg|| nt|granguru: the @D10 is a critical card (not here thou) so W has 4 critical suits|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s3|pc|sQ|nt|granguru: N S expects that @S dont behave...|pg|| pc|sK|pg|| nt|pelu: do u know players where cuebid are 1. control - to day 1. or 2.? back in the 50'es in US they only cuebid Aces - and lost to Italy every time :)|pg|| nt|peachy: that would have been my last choice of leads, Jxx nearly never right|pg|| nt|granguru: I am wrong E leads|pg|| pc|s6|nt|granguru: E has a clear @d lead|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sT|pc|s2|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h4|nt|peachy: perhaps there is something in the bidding that we are not privvy to, which induced the spade lead|pg|| pc|h8|nt|granguru: :) true|pg|| nt|granguru: second choice was @CJ|pg|| nt|granguru: immo|pg|| pc|hK|pg|| nt|granguru: MADE|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|sA|pc|s5|pc|s8|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h5|pc|hA|pc|h7|pg|| pc|s9|pc|d6|pc|c3|pc|d4|pg|| nt|mcsd: Hello all|pg|| nt|granguru: my grandma teached me to lead pasive vs 6NT some 45 years ago|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d7|pc|dT|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d3|pc|dJ|nt|granguru: it is stil valid today|pg|| pc|h6|pg|| nt|granguru: still*|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d5|pc|dQ|pc|c2|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hJ|pc|hQ|nt|granguru: instead of winning 13 Kamil is going to lose 13...a 26 IMPs swing|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|o23|st||md|1SAJ85HAT965DTCAQ6,S6HKQJ4DKQJ54CJT4,S972H832DA973C872,SKQT43H7D862CK953|sv|b|mb|2D!|nt|roswolf: this is a bits and pieces bd|pg|| mb|d|nt|roswolf: the dreaded flannery!?|pg|| mb|2H!|nt|henryb: Shows 11-15 and 4@s, 5+@h|pg|| nt|bigtrain: steve weinstein loves Flannery and he has obviously infected Michael|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|nt|roswolf: east although a lady is truly fearless|pg|| mb|p|nt|roswolf: dummy is a disappointment|pg|| pc|dT|nt|henryb: Obviously Wortel suffers from the same problem against Flannery that so many Americans suffer against Multi: the feeling that you are getting robbed gets you to bid on at best marginal hands|pg|| pc|dK|nt|roswolf: good comment henry|pg|| nt|eggy: well if x shows diamonds, surely you are worth a bid aren't you Henry?|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d6|pg|| pc|c8|nt|eggy: though perhaps not 2S|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cQ|pc|c4|pg|| nt|henryb: Ben Thompson wrote on Bridge Winners: First double shows cards, second double is takeout, third and later are penalty. Don't bid on marginal hands. Either you will get another chance or it doesn't much matter|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h4|pc|h3|pc|h7|pg|| pc|cA|pc|cT|pc|c2|nt|eggy: which I would have thought should be an UQB|pg|| pc|c9|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cJ|pc|c7|pc|c3|pg|| nt|henryb: Yes, I was more referring to the first double|pg|| nt|roswolf: well i would play x as a general t/o withh at least 4 diamonds and 2@S as constuctive natural - therefore i think west is wrong to pass with a singleton spade|pg|| nt|henryb: Which should show cards, not diamonds|pg|| pc|s6|pc|s7|pc|sT|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hK|pc|h8|pc|s3|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s5|pc|d4|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s8|pc|d5|pc|s9|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d2|pc|h6|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h2|pc|cK|pc|h9|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|d3|pc|d8|pc|hT|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d9|pc|sK|pc|sA|pg|| pg|| qx|c23|st||md|1SAJ85HAT965DTCAQ6,S6HKQJ4DKQJ54CJT4,S972H832DA973C872,SKQT43H7D862CK953|sv|b|nt|rcerreto: here we are again|pg|| nt|brolucius: Jeffrey Allerton and Frances Hinden (who is playing at the other table) are a couple, and have won the prestigious Gold Cup (Britain's top knock-out) together.|pg|| nt|brolucius: So far as I know, Hinden has never played women's bridge. She is a top executive for an oil company.|pg|| nt|ralfwil: what do we know about their systems?|pg|| nt|brolucius: E/W were playing straightforward stuff against Russia. I assume that the French play the standard French system, near enough. It will be good kibitzing.|pg|| nt|granguru: but it is a good idea that the very first control is A (or KQ)|pg|| nt|pelu: no|pg|| nt|granguru: not vul sorry only 22!|pg|| mb|1H|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2S|nt|granguru: would like to hear your arguments...I am open minded :)|pg|| mb|p|mb|2N|nt|granguru: kibz might enjoy an expert view on the matter|pg|| nt|paulg: I don't think cue bidding first and second round controls equally makes a huge difference to bidding slams, a lot of it still comes down to judgement|pg|| mb|p|nt|paulg: i think the italians beat the americans so often because they had practised partnerships and better bidding methods|pg|| nt|granguru: being an expensive deparment players try to reduce judgement and increase accuracy|pg|| nt|granguru: good advice...on all contracts under 6NT|pg|| mb|3D|mb|p|nt|granguru: agree paul|pg|| nt|paulg: this hand has another debatable point .. how do you break transfers?|pg|| nt|pelu: too difficult to start a cue bid if only A, a cue is an invitation for slam and often u will miss that - and bidding economy also tell u to start with the lovers cue bid|pg|| mb|p|nt|brolucius: Since there were so many small boards in the first half, I was hoping that all the spectacular stuff had been saved for the second half. False hopes...|pg|| nt|granguru: from 6NT on the strategy changes|pg|| mb|p|nt|Walddk5: Welcome to Murat|pg|| nt|MolvaM: hello everyone :)|pg|| nt|pelu: 5 toptricks for defense, but not easy to take them|pg|| nt|paulg: i dislike showing a weak doubleton and telling them what to lead|pg|| nt|granguru: at top level players almost always lead the right card|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h7|nt|granguru: so it is better to bid accurately|pg|| pc|hA|nt|brolucius: East has found a strong lead.|pg|| pc|h4|pg|| nt|pelu: now 7 tricks for Tokay|pg|| nt|pelu: prob 3@C dont show about @Cs but only maxz and 3 card support|pg|| nt|paulg: but i approve of breaking the transfer with only 3-card support, when you are so suitable|pg|| nt|granguru: once hamman erred a gran slam lead...20 years the hand was appearing in the news|pg|| nt|peachy: running scores Round 3 (this round) http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/orrrunda3.html|pg|| pc|dT|nt|granguru: And he used Judgement..with 2 aces he led the shortest one..(wrong)|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d2|pg|| nt|MolvaM: running a long suit usually creates problems for the defence|pg|| pc|c8|pc|c3|pc|cQ|nt|brolucius: Now a club ruff will beat it.|pg|| nt|ralfwil: -1 with best defence. a @c switch now|pg|| nt|rcerreto: @h9 ?|pg|| nt|rcerreto: looks to ask for @d|pg|| nt|brolucius: Failing that, a trump misguess by declarer.|pg|| nt|ralfwil: and in that case possibilities to -2|pg|| nt|rcerreto: E isn't willing to ask for a @c switch, not knowing what partner has in @c I think|pg|| nt|brolucius: South was declarer, after a transfer response to 1@C, at the other table.|pg|| nt|brolucius: We thought, in the match against Russia, that they seemed to be playing reverse suit-preference. So, maybe she has asked for a club.|pg|| nt|ralfwil: But if there is any possibility to defeat, it must be a @c ruff by E. Declarer can have @sKQJ|pg|| nt|pelu: in CR EW missed the defense against 4@S - played by S: @H to K, @D to A Now @CK to A, @S to 8 and Q, @CJ to Q - but not @C again|pg|| pc|c4|pg|| nt|pelu: now 9|pg|| pc|h5|pc|hK|pc|h3|nt|pelu: well played by W - he set up a trap - and N fall in|pg|| nt|MolvaM: and looking happily for the 10th|pg|| pc|s3|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d3|pc|d6|nt|granguru: looks that there is no way to win...no entry to dummy|pg|| nt|granguru: @DK ?|pg|| nt|peachy: There are 15 groups of 8 teams each, the top three (I think) will advance to the Swiss, from where top teams advance to KO etc|pg|| pc|h6|pg|| nt|granguru: what about small @d ?|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c2|nt|peachy: from each group|pg|| pc|c5|nt|brolucius: So the chance is missed.|pg|| pc|cA|pg|| nt|brolucius: Ralf's analysis is good. It does seem that a club switch was indicated.|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s6|pc|s9|pc|s4|pg|| nt|granguru: at 6NT the reason is not to give the 12th trick ...normally declarer coudnt find a suit to play...so usually no long suit..if 12 tricks there, there is nothing to lose...but if just 11 you must be carefull not to give 1 trick on the lead.|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cT|pc|c7|nt|granguru: ans @s finesse--not @C|pg|| pc|cK|pg|| mc|7|pg|| qx|o24|st||md|2SKQJ5HA52D92C7642,S986HJT6D87CQ9853,SA7432H973DKQ63CK,STHKQ84DAJT54CAJT|sv|o|nt|roswolf: on 22 the dutch n/s bid to 6nt and made it on a helpful @Slead|pg|| nt|eggy: Well it looks like West thought he was showing diamonds anyway ..|pg|| mb|p|mb|1S|mb|d|mb|2N!|mb|p|nt|eggy: I suppose that is possible that they forgot to check what 2D meant and thought it was a multi?|pg|| nt|roswolf: all very classic thus far|pg|| mb|3S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|roswolf: americans dont play the multi much - never assume|pg|| pc|hQ|nt|roswolf: not having discussed a defence to flannery is more likely|pg|| nt|henryb: 2N = Lim Raise or better in support of @s, known varioulsy as Truscott or Jordan depending on where you grew up and hw old you are|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hJ|pc|h3|pg|| nt|roswolf: or just acol (strong raise) to us brits|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hA|pc|h6|pc|h9|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d7|pc|dQ|pc|dA|pg|| nt|henryb: That is the second 6N I have seen given away by a lead from @SJxx this week|pg|| nt|Walddk3: Welcome to Han Peters|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h5|pc|hT|pc|h7|pg|| pc|c3|pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c2|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c4|pc|c5|nt|han: thanks Roland|pg|| pc|s2|pg|| nt|henryb: I think declarer can't quite handle 5-2 @d and 3-1 @s|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sT|pc|sK|pc|s6|pg|| nt|bigtrain: dummy reversaal works doesn't it?|pg|| nt|han: declarer lacks the communication to ruff 2 clubs in his hand and not lose a trump trick|pg|| nt|eggy: frsutrating isn't it?|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s8|pc|s4|nt|roswolf: just bridge and life in general i think|pg|| pc|hK|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d8|pc|dK|nt|eggy: The entry position gives West a trump promotion|pg|| pc|d4|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|s5|nt|bigtrain: it works|pg|| pc|s9|pg|| mc|8|pg|| qx|c24|st||md|2SKQJ5HA52D92C7642,S986HJT6D87CQ9853,SA7432H973DKQ63CK,STHKQ84DAJT54CAJT|sv|o|nt|paulg: it was very tricky and I'm not sure he ever saw a line to make it. As I was struggling seeing all the hands, I'm not surprised really.|pg|| nt|granguru: garozzo had another saying..when you have a singleton, lead it...|pg|| nt|granguru: obviously at suit contracts|pg|| nt|peachy: It is one of his famous "Rules"|pg|| nt|granguru: in general, it made life easier for the defense...if you didnt lead a singleton..you didnt have it...|pg|| nt|peachy: Another one of Garozzo's: "Must have a very good reason for not leading trump"|pg|| mb|p|mb|1S|mb|d|nt|rcerreto: openings are getting lighter and lighter, these days|pg|| nt|paulg: his line did have a lot of play|pg|| mb|2N|nt|granguru: well if @H behave he could have made it..but that would have mean @S were also 1-1 and the line should have been different|pg|| mb|p|mb|3S|nt|pelu: top-players dont like the @d-suit :)|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|rcerreto: tough lead|pg|| nt|rcerreto: nothing appeals, @d looks normal|pg|| nt|MolvaM: I know about 3700 people who would bid 2nt with east hand|pg|| nt|granguru: as I said at the beginning ..probably @S finesse instead of a @C|pg|| mb|p|nt|pelu: Mahaffey won the first match 17-13 against a team from Romania (with Bocchi-Maddala!?), Aspe lost 10-20 to a strong team from England|pg|| nt|granguru: panski plays 4@H here|pg|| pc|sT|nt|rcerreto: leading the longest suit is always an option|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s6|nt|paulg: Bocchi-Madala are playing for Lavazza in another group, whatever the results page says|pg|| nt|vugraphplb: there is a little misunderstanding after explanation|pg|| pc|s2|pg|| pc|d2|nt|vugraphplb: we have to wait for director decision in board 22|pg|| pc|d7|nt|rcerreto: David, would you lead small or an honour?|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dA|pg|| nt|pelu: if 1Nt = 12-14 I know as mynu who would pass - 12-14 + 10 = 22-24 and no spec fit|pg|| nt|Walddk5: Welcome to our second Murat, Anter|pg|| pc|d4|nt|MolvaM: the results page is here http://www.poznan2011.pl/results but since the event just started there is nothing in so far|pg|| pc|d9|nt|granguru: madala's father was the greatest VUGRAPH comentator of all times...a full show|pg|| pc|d8|pc|dK|pg|| pc|cK|nt|granguru: bridge rama at the time|pg|| pc|cA|nt|rcerreto: Ralf?|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c9|pg|| nt|dburn: I guess I would lead low - some danger of a blockage if partner has @dJx, for example|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c4|nt|brolucius: I am in the middle of writing a book that involves computer analysis of opening leads. We have found that leading the top honour is generally right.|pg|| pc|c3|pc|s3|pg|| nt|granguru: .|pg|| nt|granguru: In board 22 the 3@D bid inhibited Hurd to lead the suit|pg|| nt|granguru: now claiming, for sure|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h4|nt|brolucius: More often than the old text-books suggest.|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hT|pg|| nt|ralfwil: an honour, if dummy has a middle @d|pg|| nt|rcerreto: computer analysis could change several paradigms|pg|| pc|s8|nt|MolvaM: 3nt could be reached on this board in the open room|pg|| nt|paulg: i'm sure they'll fix the team lineups on the results pages quickly, they have been very efficient|pg|| nt|granguru: as for garozzo's saying ..it must have been under specific circumstsnces...such as a 7-level suit contract, or 2. a cross-ruff hand type|pg|| pc|sA|pc|h8|pc|s5|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hQ|pc|hA|pc|h6|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cQ|pc|s4|pc|cT|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|sJ|pc|c5|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c8|nt|dburn: this game doesn't have to be bid at the other table|pg|| pc|s7|nt|granguru: that is unfitted hands or semifitted hands and not much total strenght|pg|| pc|dT|pg|| pc|d6|pc|dJ|pc|sQ|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|h5|pc|s9|pc|h7|pc|hK|pg|| pg|| qx|o25|st||md|3SAKJ974HT2D4CK743,STHQ63DAQT75CQT65,SQ2HA87DJ962CAJ82,S8653HKJ954DK83C9|sv|e|mb|1C|mb|1H|mb|1S|mb|2N!|nt|han: Weinstein - Kamil are not a regular partnership as far as I know, does anybody know how often they play together?|pg|| mb|p|mb|3H|nt|henryb: Rarely, but old friends and teammates|pg|| nt|bigtrain: ruff @C - cash @DK - ruff @D high (W west can't make a pitch that hurts) - ruff @C - ruff @D high - trump ace|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h3|nt|roswolf: this looks straightforward|pg|| nt|henryb: no good, you have promoted the @s9 with two high @d ruffs|pg|| nt|han: I believe bigtrain is correct, west's trump doesn't get promoted as he has to underruff at trick 12|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hK|pc|hT|pg|| nt|bigtrain: for sure it works... W underruffs the penultimate trick and follows the last trick|pg|| nt|henryb: Its a 7 card end position|pg|| nt|bigtrain: 6|pg|| nt|bigtrain: QJx/-/x/xx opp Axx/-/Kxx/-|pg|| nt|han: I thought that 2NT by west showed 4-card support, either they play something else or Schollaardt decided to sell his shapely hand as 4-card support|pg|| nt|han: I'm looking at their write up, it seems that 2NT was indeed invitational with 4-card support|pg|| pc|h9|pc|h2|pc|h6|pc|hA|pg|| nt|henryb: So, I am looking at the position|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s3|pc|s4|pc|sT|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s6|pc|sJ|pc|d5|pg|| pc|sA|nt|eggy: meanwhile, apart from playing the clubs to max for 1 losers, this looks straightforward|pg|| nt|henryb: You are right|pg|| nt|eggy: S will play a club to the Ace intending to play back to the 7 should West play 9 or T|pg|| nt|han: I am not sure south should do that after seeing east holding 4 spades and 5 hearts|pg|| nt|han: almost impossible for east to hold 4 clubs as well|pg|| nt|roswolf: fair comment|pg|| nt|han: in the meantime, it gives away a trick if the clubs are as they are|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|d2|pc|s5|pg|| pc|sK|nt|dburn: may well place West with four clubs rather than six diamonds - 2NT would be a bit odd with 1=3=6=3|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d6|pc|s8|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c5|pc|c2|pc|c9|pg|| pc|c4|pc|c6|pc|c8|pc|d3|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c25|st||md|3SAKJ974HT2D4CK743,STHQ63DAQT75CQT65,SQ2HA87DJ962CAJ82,S8653HKJ954DK83C9|sv|e|nt|brolucius: We did not mention that Cronier's 3NT was rather bold. Most would bid 2NT and a (very) few might bid 1NT.|pg|| nt|rcerreto: true|pg|| nt|rcerreto: well judged|pg|| nt|ralfwil: but he needed @dJ on dummy|pg|| nt|granguru: or 3. very low level, doubled contracts|pg|| mb|1C|an| |mb|p|mb|1H|an| |nt|pelu: ok NS play transfer over 1@c|pg|| mb|p|nt|rcerreto: that's why she bid 3 :)|pg|| nt|brolucius: Maybe 2@D?|pg|| mb|1S|an| |nt|ralfwil: how many @s from W? I vote for 3@s|pg|| nt|paulg: i expect double shows the majors|pg|| nt|pelu: nice play to get 7 tricks in 2@c|pg|| nt|peachy: There certainly are very good reasons not to lead trump, but if one cant find one, then...trump|pg|| nt|granguru: aaah yes|pg|| mb|p|nt|rcerreto: a good partner has the J|pg|| mb|4S|nt|rcerreto: oops, sorry|pg|| nt|rcerreto: he bid|pg|| nt|ralfwil: anyone with me?|pg|| nt|rcerreto: with 2@d?|pg|| nt|brolucius: Closer to 3@S than 1@S, perhaps.|pg|| nt|rcerreto: 1@s looks a little timid to me|pg|| nt|pelu: strange take out X by Baldurson|pg|| mb|p|nt|ralfwil: a 6-card suit @hK and a stiff @d|pg|| nt|brolucius: Spade game needs to be bid.|pg|| nt|rcerreto: good sacrifice in 5@d|pg|| nt|MolvaM: so 1@s probably shows 3 card spades?|pg|| nt|pelu: sorry - prob support x in @H|pg|| mb|p|nt|brolucius: I don't know that 1@H was right when East had indicated the majors.|pg|| nt|rcerreto: maybe it was also meant to show real @c|pg|| nt|rcerreto: unsure though|pg|| nt|ralfwil: 3@h is for me a strong 3@s rise and an invite to 4@s|pg|| nt|MolvaM: and baldurson dbl is kind of a support dbl?|pg|| nt|pelu: ok he was down 2 - but recived a gift|pg|| mb|p|nt|brolucius: Allerton may have misread 3@H but East can correct.|pg|| nt|brolucius: Anyway, this is the sort of board we were looking for, after so much drab stuff.|pg|| nt|rcerreto: he has a pretty good hand, in context|pg|| nt|ralfwil: but you agree with the strong rise David?|pg|| pc|c9|nt|granguru: under this premise I agree fully..the same philosophy of the 6NT lead..dont give tricks away to declarer on the initial lead.|pg|| nt|granguru: when you have points in all side suits normally declarer has a solid trump suit...|pg|| pc|cK|nt|brolucius: Presumably intended as that. Since 1@S shows very little, as I see it, East might also consider 3@S.|pg|| nt|ralfwil: but the best with this bidding is that W has shown his @h honour|pg|| nt|rcerreto: maybe their standard for free bids is higher than yours and mine|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c2|pg|| nt|pelu: Easr didnt read the X from West as @hs|pg|| nt|pelu: saved by S|pg|| nt|murat: good afternoon all :)|pg|| nt|pelu: wellcome now we hace 2 x Murat :)|pg|| pc|s4|nt|brolucius: Although we may quibble with the odd bid or two, it seems that the players have judged it very well around the table. |pg|| nt|rcerreto: anyway, they succeeded in bidding the par|pg|| nt|brolucius: The term 'free bid' was responsible for a lot of awful bidding many decades ago.|pg|| nt|murat: guess one of the most common names of Turkey :)|pg|| pc|sT|nt|rcerreto: in a difficult board|pg|| nt|rcerreto: yes, indeed|pg|| nt|granguru: !