vg|B EC 2011 Open Teams RR _,4_7,I,1,10,Zaleski,0,Dumbovich,0| rs|3NE-1,3DE+1,5CN=,5DWx-4,5CE-1,4HN-1,3NS+3,3NS+1,3CS-3,2CS-2,2SE=,2DE=,4SN-1,4SN-1,6HN+1,6HN+1,,4HE=,3CS+3,3NN+4| pn|Giubilo,Dumbovich,Zaleski,Dombi,Kotanyi,Versace,Gulyas,Lauria|pg|| qx|o1|st||md|3SJT8HKQT4D4CT5432,SQ92H9652DA75CQ96,SA7643HAJ7DJ86CK8,SK5H83DKQT932CAJ7|sv|o|nt|MolvaM: hello :)|pg|| mb|1S|mb|2D|nt|roswolf: hi Murat|pg|| mb|2S|nt|MolvaM: this is the 4th match in the open series|pg|| nt|MolvaM: hi geoffrey :)|pg|| mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3N|nt|roswolf: i expect aggressive bidding from e/w|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|roswolf: and we have it already i think 3nt by east is far too aggressive|pg|| nt|MolvaM: after 7 rounds, we shall have 7 rounds of swiss. then the knock-outs will start with 32 teams|pg|| pc|hK|nt|roswolf: however n/s need to be careful|pg|| pc|h2|nt|roswolf: this should be a quick -1|pg|| nt|MolvaM: king is a strong lead against 3NT|pg|| nt|MolvaM: they shouldnt go wrong here|pg|| nt|jr7: hi all|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h8|pc|h4|nt|MolvaM: hi jorgen|pg|| pc|h5|pg|| pc|h7|pc|s5|pc|hT|pc|h6|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h9|nt|jr7: hi|pg|| nt|MolvaM: closed room was more conservative|pg|| nt|roswolf: i would have cashed the @SA first|pg|| pc|d8|pc|c7|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|sK|pg|| nt|roswolf: np however|pg|| mc|8|nt|MolvaM: @sQ was wasted. dombi would appreciate a @h honor instead|pg|| pg|| qx|c1|st||md|3SJT8HKQT4D4CT5432,SQ92H9652DA75CQ96,SA7643HAJ7DJ86CK8,SK5H83DKQT932CAJ7|sv|o|nt|peachy: team names are not right, but I guess we'll get there|pg|| mb|1S|nt|granguru: HI|pg|| mb|2D|mb|2S|nt|pelu: hi|pg|| mb|3D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sJ|pc|s2|pc|s4|pc|sK|pg|| nt|paulg: Results for the first match in the round-robin can be seen at http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/orrleaderb.html|pg|| nt|chmitty: Hi all|pg|| nt|peachy: Hi all, welcome back, This is Round 4 in the roundropbins, Open Teams. 15 groups of 8 teams each.|pg|| nt|peachy: 10 boards per match|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s8|nt|peachy: Current standings in each group after round 3: http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/orrleaderb.html|pg|| nt|chmitty: Zaleski currently leading his group|pg|| nt|peachy: Running scores in Round 4 (this round) http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/orrrunda4.html|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sA|pg|| nt|granguru: finally we got to a std 3NT|pg|| nt|pelu: all card well placed = 12 tricks|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h4|pc|h2|pg|| pc|h7|pc|h8|pc|hT|nt|pelu: also 3Nt in OR|pg|| pc|h5|pg|| nt|granguru: funnily if opens the hand (1N) there is a good chance to arrive at 6@C|pg|| nt|paulg: could be worth a couple of imps if it is played by West in the other room|pg|| nt|chmitty: I must say that I never met the pair sitting EW ... not been introduced to Mister West nor Mister East|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o2|st||md|4SJT43HKQJDJT7CT94,S9652HAT84DKQ93C7,SH965DA2CAKQJ8532,SAKQ87H732D8654C6|sv|n|mb|2S!|mb|p|nt|MolvaM: well thats a good hand to watch|pg|| nt|roswolf: he was guessing/hoping - you need to be gentle with the cards -otherwise they bite you|pg|| nt|roswolf: muilderberg strikes|pg|| mb|4S|nt|roswolf: north will brush this aside|pg|| nt|MolvaM: by 5@c? or an enterprising 6@c?|pg|| nt|roswolf: 5@C is standard!?|pg|| mb|5C|mb|p|nt|jr7: 5 :S is better|pg|| nt|roswolf: dbl is fair too|pg|| nt|jr7: @S|pg|| nt|MolvaM: well 5s is a bit too enterprising for me|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|roswolf: yup conservatism is best on this hand at least|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s5|nt|roswolf: there is no exotic squeeze here so only11 tricks|pg|| pc|c3|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c6|pc|cT|pc|c7|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s2|nt|MolvaM: anyway, to me 5@s would mean pd I have the slam almost in my hand and Im worried abt missing grand|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|s7|pg|| pc|h5|nt|roswolf: sounds reasonable murat|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hJ|pc|h4|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s6|pc|cJ|pc|s8|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h2|pc|hQ|nt|roswolf: the italians got caught in the other room going for -800|pg|| nt|roswolf: 5 imps away|pg|| pc|hA|pg|| pc|h8|pc|h9|pc|h3|pc|hK|pg|| nt|MolvaM: so a triumph for muiderberg?|pg|| mc|11|nt|roswolf: mini- triumph:)|pg|| pg|| qx|c2|st||md|4SJT43HKQJDJT7CT94,S9652HAT84DKQ93C7,SH965DA2CAKQJ8532,SAKQ87H732D8654C6|sv|n|nt|granguru: not a good slam |pg|| nt|granguru: another potential slam here|pg|| nt|granguru: a better one thou|pg|| nt|pelu: only need to play @s-siut with no loser|pg|| nt|granguru: still it needs @s 2-2 or stiff honor in E and a good guess|pg|| nt|granguru: hi all|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1D|nt|pelu: Hi all - as every time there are problems before the first match - players has to find the right table and so on|pg|| nt|chmitty: 3NT or 5@c both cold here|pg|| nt|chmitty: not an easy bid for North|pg|| nt|chmitty: Can our operator disclose the names of the players sitting EW ??|pg|| nt|chmitty: oh yes :)|pg|| nt|chmitty: ty|pg|| nt|peachy: He might go for the practical 3NT if this were MPs, not so sure IMPs|pg|| mb|5C|nt|pelu: not with odds - but better that a "Roland-slam"|pg|| mb|5D|nt|paulg: Pleased to see that South has a name, but I think I'll stick with 'South'|pg|| nt|granguru: exchange black Q´s and it would have been a rock iron contract|pg|| mb|p|nt|pelu: we begin with a possible slam|pg|| mb|p|nt|pelu: Rodwell did open the N hand with 1NT???|pg|| nt|chmitty: Difficult for South to imagine he has so many defensive tricks !|pg|| nt|chmitty: Will North x now ?|pg|| nt|chmitty: Hope for him there was not too much of an hesitation behind the screen|pg|| nt|peachy: I think S might have doubled. Vul versus notvul, N had great expectations of making, the colors tell he was not preempting|pg|| nt|chmitty: I agree 100% Raija|pg|| mb|d|nt|peachy: Hi John|pg|| mb|p|nt|granguru: I would have done it if @CK|pg|| nt|paulg: i think many in the field will bid this one|pg|| nt|chmitty: he must protect the score of his pair|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|granguru: NICE TO see u again Raija |pg|| nt|granguru: 11 tricks|pg|| nt|peachy: Convention cards are not available so unfprtunately we cannot explain bidding|pg|| nt|granguru: at NT or any Moysean|pg|| nt|chmitty: Next door bidding started 2@s (E) 4@s ... NOrth thinking|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h2|nt|pelu: and I would open 1@D 100% (=4+@d)|pg|| nt|paulg: North has distribution and they have a lot of controls|pg|| nt|granguru: 4@C cue X @Cs|pg|| nt|granguru: N could have xx to show second round ctrl|pg|| nt|pelu: when N open 1Nt then Meckstroth has no slam ambitions|pg|| nt|pelu: RD = 1. round control|pg|| nt|granguru: but then it is more complicate to show @d ctrls|pg|| nt|granguru: RD is second if 4@C was first|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hA|pg|| nt|pelu: @H-lead - 2x@s and @C finess|pg|| pc|dK|nt|pelu: ok that makes life easyer for dsecl|pg|| pc|dA|nt|granguru: If I would be forced to guess 1@C strong 1@S=4 ctrls 2N nat 19-21 3@D @C ctrl no @D ctrl|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d7|pg|| nt|paulg: It is much easier for us, but can South have less than this to make a slam try with no heart control?|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c6|nt|peachy: lots of work in 6NT, not impossible I think, but rather aggressive|pg|| nt|granguru: a passive lead is a must here|pg|| nt|peachy: I'm thinking E will lead club, that would be my choice|pg|| nt|granguru: it seems 3@d was nat as N went on to 6@d|pg|| nt|peachy: but I am not in Hurd's class of player so we'll see|pg|| nt|granguru: most passive is @D|pg|| nt|granguru: the @D10 is a critical card (not here thou) so W has 4 critical suits|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c7|pg|| pc|h6|nt|granguru: N S expects that @S dont behave...|pg|| pc|h3|nt|pelu: do u know players where cuebid are 1. control - to day 1. or 2.? back in the 50'es in US they only cuebid Aces - and lost to Italy every time :)|pg|| nt|peachy: that would have been my last choice of leads, Jxx nearly never right|pg|| nt|granguru: I am wrong E leads|pg|| pc|hQ|nt|granguru: E has a clear @d lead|pg|| nt|chmitty: Versace will not escape 800 |pg|| pc|h4|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h8|pc|h9|pc|h7|pg|| nt|peachy: perhaps there is something in the bidding that we are not privvy to, which induced the spade lead|pg|| nt|peachy: To watch multiple tables, http://www.bridgebase.com/client/vugraph.php. Open a new window for each additional table.|pg|| pc|sJ|nt|granguru: :) true|pg|| nt|granguru: second choice was @CJ|pg|| nt|granguru: immo|pg|| pc|s2|nt|granguru: MADE|pg|| pc|d2|pc|s7|pg|| nt|chmitty: 5@c final contract open room|pg|| nt|peachy: or browser screen, whatever you call it :)|pg|| mc|7|nt|chmitty: Here it's a "fenêtre" lol|pg|| pg|| qx|o3|st||md|1SA864HAT432DJCJT7,SKT75H765DQT8742C,SJ3HKQJ8DA965C854,SQ92H9DK3CAKQ9632|sv|e|nt|roswolf: might have some fun here|pg|| nt|MolvaM: 7 card suits and voids around. always good vugraf material|pg|| nt|roswolf: absolutely:)|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|1H|nt|roswolf: how inventive is east going to be!?|pg|| mb|d!|nt|MolvaM: up to 4@c available for ew|pg|| nt|roswolf: i think the double borders on the crazy|pg|| nt|MolvaM: and 3@h for NS|pg|| nt|roswolf: it is only a 5 count oppaosite a @C hand|pg|| nt|roswolf: i assume it is not a strong @C btw|pg|| nt|MolvaM: but whats the alternative?|pg|| mb|3H!|nt|roswolf: pass!?|pg|| nt|MolvaM: hard to pass with dumbovich hand|pg|| mb|d!|mb|p|nt|MolvaM: six-four bid some more :)|pg|| nt|roswolf: the bidding will come round to you again|pg|| mb|4D|nt|roswolf: i axe most of the time - that phiosophy is poor unlee there are hcp to back it up|pg|| nt|MolvaM: dombi's double shows what? supportX?|pg|| nt|roswolf: magical mystery tour as most hungarian auctions are|pg|| mb|p|nt|roswolf: a juicy penalty may come n/s way now|pg|| mb|5C|mb|p|mb|p|nt|jr7: not good Ø/V |pg|| nt|MolvaM: 4c previous round would have ended it probably|pg|| mb|p|nt|roswolf: well 5@C will drift down - e/w were just too busy|pg|| nt|MolvaM: 2 down if they can find their @d ruff|pg|| nt|MolvaM: to get 6 imps|pg|| pc|hA|nt|jr7: I dont like Dbl from Dombi - 4@C must be the bid|pg|| pc|h5|nt|roswolf: but i agree 4@C might well be passed out|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h9|pg|| nt|roswolf: agree jorgen|pg|| nt|MolvaM: does @hK send the @dA message?|pg|| nt|roswolf: it would for me|pg|| nt|MolvaM: or @sQ? to ask pd to underlead?|pg|| nt|MolvaM: to make declarer guess?|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h7|pc|hJ|pc|c2|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c7|pc|d2|pc|c4|pg|| pc|cK|pc|cT|nt|MolvaM: escapes for -1|pg|| pc|h6|pc|c5|pg|| nt|roswolf: not the best will be -1|pg|| nt|MolvaM: north figures to hold 4 hearts|pg|| nt|roswolf: still 4 imps is not to be sniffed at|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cJ|pc|s5|pc|c8|pg|| pc|dK|pc|dJ|pc|d4|nt|MolvaM: I would suggest contributing the @hQ|pg|| nt|MolvaM: that could stop the @h continuation perhaps?|pg|| nt|roswolf: good suggestion|pg|| nt|MolvaM: in the meantime he still must find the jack|pg|| nt|MolvaM: of @s|pg|| pc|dA|pg|| pc|s3|mc|10|nt|MolvaM: ok|pg|| nt|roswolf: np for the spade defence will cash|pg|| pg|| qx|c3|st||md|1SA864HAT432DJCJT7,SKT75H765DQT8742C,SJ3HKQJ8DA965C854,SQ92H9DK3CAKQ9632|sv|e|nt|rcerreto: here we are again|pg|| nt|brolucius: Jeffrey Allerton and Frances Hinden (who is playing at the other table) are a couple, and have won the prestigious Gold Cup (Britain's top knock-out) together.|pg|| nt|brolucius: So far as I know, Hinden has never played women's bridge. She is a top executive for an oil company.|pg|| nt|ralfwil: what do we know about their systems?|pg|| nt|brolucius: E/W were playing straightforward stuff against Russia. I assume that the French play the standard French system, near enough. It will be good kibitzing.|pg|| nt|granguru: but it is a good idea that the very first control is A (or KQ)|pg|| nt|pelu: no|pg|| nt|granguru: not vul sorry only 22!|pg|| nt|peachy: aah, by the end of tha match, maybe I learn some French by osmosis :)|pg|| nt|chmitty: and me some English|pg|| mb|2D|an| |nt|chmitty: :)|pg|| mb|p|nt|chmitty: 2@d both majors ?|pg|| mb|4H|nt|chmitty: seems so|pg|| nt|peachy: Long time ago, we used to call those bids Polish two suiters, nowadays there are several variations and names for them|pg|| nt|peachy: Hungarian kib tells it is 5@h-4@s, or 4414 or 4405, 11-15HCP|pg|| mb|p|nt|granguru: would like to hear your arguments...I am open minded :)|pg|| mb|p|nt|chmitty: So Lauria will probably reject the option of double ... which could be effective in front of a @s lenght|pg|| mb|p|nt|granguru: kibz might enjoy an expert view on the matter|pg|| nt|paulg: I don't think cue bidding first and second round controls equally makes a huge difference to bidding slams, a lot of it still comes down to judgement|pg|| pc|cA|nt|paulg: i think the italians beat the americans so often because they had practised partnerships and better bidding methods|pg|| nt|granguru: being an expensive deparment players try to reduce judgement and increase accuracy|pg|| nt|granguru: good advice...on all contracts under 6NT|pg|| nt|peachy: There are no convention cards available for us (or anyone) so appreciate kib help in interpreting bids|pg|| pc|c7|pc|d4|nt|granguru: agree paul|pg|| nt|paulg: this hand has another debatable point .. how do you break transfers?|pg|| nt|pelu: too difficult to start a cue bid if only A, a cue is an invitation for slam and often u will miss that - and bidding economy also tell u to start with the lovers cue bid|pg|| pc|c8|pg|| nt|brolucius: Since there were so many small boards in the first half, I was hoping that all the spectacular stuff had been saved for the second half. False hopes...|pg|| nt|granguru: from 6NT on the strategy changes|pg|| pc|cK|nt|Walddk5: Welcome to Murat|pg|| nt|MolvaM: hello everyone :)|pg|| nt|pelu: 5 toptricks for defense, but not easy to take them|pg|| nt|paulg: i dislike showing a weak doubleton and telling them what to lead|pg|| nt|granguru: at top level players almost always lead the right card|pg|| pc|cT|pc|s5|nt|granguru: so it is better to bid accurately|pg|| pc|c5|pg|| nt|brolucius: East has found a strong lead.|pg|| pc|cQ|nt|pelu: now 7 tricks for Tokay|pg|| nt|pelu: prob 3@C dont show about @Cs but only maxz and 3 card support|pg|| nt|paulg: but i approve of breaking the transfer with only 3-card support, when you are so suitable|pg|| nt|granguru: once hamman erred a gran slam lead...20 years the hand was appearing in the news|pg|| nt|peachy: running scores Round 3 (this round) http://b.poznan2011.pl/ot/orrrunda3.html|pg|| pc|cJ|nt|granguru: And he used Judgement..with 2 aces he led the shortest one..(wrong)|pg|| pc|s7|pc|c4|pg|| nt|chmitty: Great decision by Lauria : 5@c would be at least 2 off when 4@h is down|pg|| nt|peachy: I did find a fairly recent card for EW http://www.archiviobridge.it/lauria-versace.pdf|pg|| pc|h9|nt|MolvaM: running a long suit usually creates problems for the defence|pg|| nt|peachy: NS basic system is Strong Club|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h5|pc|hK|pg|| nt|brolucius: Now a club ruff will beat it.|pg|| nt|ralfwil: -1 with best defence. a @c switch now|pg|| nt|rcerreto: @h9 ?|pg|| nt|rcerreto: looks to ask for @d|pg|| nt|brolucius: Failing that, a trump misguess by declarer.|pg|| nt|ralfwil: and in that case possibilities to -2|pg|| nt|rcerreto: E isn't willing to ask for a @c switch, not knowing what partner has in @c I think|pg|| nt|brolucius: South was declarer, after a transfer response to 1@C, at the other table.|pg|| nt|brolucius: We thought, in the match against Russia, that they seemed to be playing reverse suit-preference. So, maybe she has asked for a club.|pg|| nt|ralfwil: But if there is any possibility to defeat, it must be a @c ruff by E. Declarer can have @sKQJ|pg|| nt|pelu: in CR EW missed the defense against 4@S - played by S: @H to K, @D to A Now @CK to A, @S to 8 and Q, @CJ to Q - but not @C again|pg|| pc|s3|nt|pelu: now 9|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sA|pc|sT|pg|| nt|pelu: well played by W - he set up a trap - and N fall in|pg|| nt|MolvaM: and looking happily for the 10th|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sK|pc|sJ|pc|s9|pg|| nt|granguru: looks that there is no way to win...no entry to dummy|pg|| nt|granguru: @DK ?|pg|| nt|peachy: There are 15 groups of 8 teams each, the top three (I think) will advance to the Swiss, from where top teams advance to KO etc|pg|| nt|peachy: This isnt quite making, I think|pg|| mc|9|nt|granguru: what about small @d ?|pg|| pg|| qx|o4|st||md|2S854HK9DAKT94CAJ5,SAJHAJ862D8753CT2,SK76HT75DQCKQ8743,SQT932HQ43DJ62C96|sv|b|nt|MolvaM: 4@c would have been more interesting to watch|pg|| nt|roswolf: nice contract in the other room|pg|| nt|MolvaM: yes. they right sided it|pg|| mb|p|nt|roswolf: rightsided nicely|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|mb|1N!|mb|p|nt|roswolf: 3nt looks obvious|pg|| mb|2S!|nt|roswolf: ah science|pg|| mb|d|nt|MolvaM: well when you have a stiff here and 3 small there... :)|pg|| nt|roswolf: silly double he cant even stand a lead|pg|| mb|2N|mb|p|nt|MolvaM: 2nt is super accept for clubs I guess?|pg|| nt|roswolf: 2nt showing a positive trump fit|pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|jr7: Thats the way to kill 3 nt @SJ to @S D :)|pg|| nt|MolvaM: if I bid like this I lose the first 10 tricks|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h5|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pg|| nt|roswolf: if it happens then it is a candidate for the best defended hand of the year|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d3|pc|dQ|pc|d2|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c6|pc|cA|pc|c2|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d5|pc|s6|pc|d6|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d7|pc|h7|pc|dJ|pg|| nt|MolvaM: just needs the doubler to hold the spade ace :)|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d8|pc|s7|pc|c9|pg|| pc|d9|pc|cT|pc|hT|pc|h3|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|h2|pc|c4|pc|h4|pg|| pc|c5|mc|12|pg|| qx|c4|st||md|2S854HK9DAKT94CAJ5,SAJHAJ862D8753CT2,SK76HT75DQCKQ8743,SQT932HQ43DJ62C96|sv|b|nt|paulg: it was very tricky and I'm not sure he ever saw a line to make it. As I was struggling seeing all the hands, I'm not surprised really.|pg|| nt|granguru: garozzo had another saying..when you have a singleton, lead it...|pg|| nt|granguru: obviously at suit contracts|pg|| nt|peachy: It is one of his famous "Rules"|pg|| nt|granguru: in general, it made life easier for the defense...if you didnt lead a singleton..you didnt have it...|pg|| nt|peachy: Another one of Garozzo's: "Must have a very good reason for not leading trump"|pg|| mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|nt|rcerreto: openings are getting lighter and lighter, these days|pg|| nt|paulg: his line did have a lot of play|pg|| mb|2D|nt|granguru: well if @H behave he could have made it..but that would have mean @S were also 1-1 and the line should have been different|pg|| mb|p|mb|3C|nt|pelu: top-players dont like the @d-suit :)|pg|| nt|chmitty: 2@d must be relay for clarification, and 3@c shows no major probably|pg|| nt|chmitty: Will south bid 3NT with 3 small spades ?|pg|| mb|p|nt|peachy: 2C prob Precision style, 5-6 clubs with possible 4-card major|pg|| mb|3N|nt|rcerreto: tough lead|pg|| nt|rcerreto: nothing appeals, @d looks normal|pg|| nt|MolvaM: I know about 3700 people who would bid 2nt with east hand|pg|| nt|granguru: as I said at the beginning ..probably @S finesse instead of a @C|pg|| mb|p|nt|pelu: Mahaffey won the first match 17-13 against a team from Romania (with Bocchi-Maddala!?), Aspe lost 10-20 to a strong team from England|pg|| nt|granguru: panski plays 4@H here|pg|| mb|p|nt|rcerreto: leading the longest suit is always an option|pg|| mb|p|nt|peachy: good contract|pg|| nt|chmitty: 3@c more precise : no major and only one stopper ... South assumes the stopper is @s :)|pg|| pc|h2|nt|paulg: Bocchi-Madala are playing for Lavazza in another group, whatever the results page says|pg|| nt|vugraphplb: there is a little misunderstanding after explanation|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hQ|nt|vugraphplb: we have to wait for director decision in board 22|pg|| pc|hK|pg|| nt|rcerreto: David, would you lead small or an honour?|pg|| nt|chmitty: well bid|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d3|nt|pelu: if 1Nt = 12-14 I know as mynu who would pass - 12-14 + 10 = 22-24 and no spec fit|pg|| nt|Walddk5: Welcome to our second Murat, Anter|pg|| pc|dQ|nt|MolvaM: the results page is here http://www.poznan2011.pl/results but since the event just started there is nothing in so far|pg|| pc|d2|pg|| nt|granguru: madala's father was the greatest VUGRAPH comentator of all times...a full show|pg|| pc|c3|pc|c6|pc|cJ|nt|granguru: bridge rama at the time|pg|| pc|c2|pg|| nt|rcerreto: Ralf?|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d5|nt|dburn: I guess I would lead low - some danger of a blockage if partner has @dJx, for example|pg|| pc|h5|pc|d6|pg|| nt|brolucius: I am in the middle of writing a book that involves computer analysis of opening leads. We have found that leading the top honour is generally right.|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d7|nt|granguru: .|pg|| nt|granguru: In board 22 the 3@D bid inhibited Hurd to lead the suit|pg|| nt|granguru: now claiming, for sure|pg|| pc|h7|pc|dJ|pg|| nt|brolucius: More often than the old text-books suggest.|pg|| pc|cA|pc|cT|nt|ralfwil: an honour, if dummy has a middle @d|pg|| nt|rcerreto: computer analysis could change several paradigms|pg|| pc|c4|nt|MolvaM: 3nt could be reached on this board in the open room|pg|| nt|paulg: i'm sure they'll fix the team lineups on the results pages quickly, they have been very efficient|pg|| nt|granguru: as for garozzo's saying ..it must have been under specific circumstsnces...such as a 7-level suit contract, or 2. a cross-ruff hand type|pg|| pc|c9|pg|| mc|10|nt|chmitty: hummm ... did not see the @d Jack fall on the ace ?|pg|| pg|| qx|o5|st||md|3SAK732HT7DAKQ7C62,SQT85HAKJ6DJ83C74,SJH9543DT52CKT983,S964HQ82D964CAQJ5|sv|n|nt|roswolf: soutyh has seen these guys before!?|pg|| nt|roswolf: they never have their bidding|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|roswolf: ah a delicate hand for once|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|nt|MolvaM: 2@d seems to be good|pg|| nt|roswolf: i would be tempted to pass as north|pg|| nt|roswolf: 4 hcp + no fit =MISFIT STAY LOW|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|nt|MolvaM: the more he looks the more he likes his hand|pg|| mb|2C!|mb|p|nt|MolvaM: nice club spots |pg|| nt|roswolf: an illusion|pg|| nt|MolvaM: gazzilli I guess|pg|| nt|jr7: pas :)|pg|| nt|roswolf: north should pass this|pg|| mb|3C|nt|MolvaM: what if gazilli has a monster black 2 suiter? :)|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|roswolf: this could end up in the 4-2 heart fit on a bad day|pg|| mb|p|nt|roswolf: dont understand 3@C -felo de se imo|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|nt|MolvaM: nice lead|pg|| nt|jr7: what card do you play with your partner?|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h7|pg|| nt|roswolf: 2 encouraging|pg|| nt|MolvaM: switch needed now|pg|| nt|jr7: maybee he now think xx|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cT|pc|cJ|nt|roswolf: nice one|pg|| pc|c2|pg|| nt|MolvaM: dumbovich on the right track|pg|| nt|roswolf: card play is the hungarian forte|pg|| nt|jr7: A@C and 4@H and 3D and 1@C|pg|| nt|MolvaM: specs tell me that dumbovich is usually on the right track|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c6|pc|c7|pc|c3|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hT|pc|h6|pc|h4|pg|| pc|h8|nt|jr7: OK better|pg|| pc|s2|nt|MolvaM: ahh that unblew it :)|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|MolvaM: that blew a trick|pg|| pc|h5|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h9|pc|d4|pc|d7|pg|| nt|vugraphplE: sorry|pg|| nt|MolvaM: np pawel :) your doing fine|pg|| nt|jr7: and so are the defence|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sJ|pc|s6|pc|sA|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s5|pc|c8|pc|s4|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c5|pc|s7|pc|d3|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d6|pc|dQ|pc|d8|pg|| mc|6|pg|| qx|c5|st||md|3SAK732HT7DAKQ7C62,SQT85HAKJ6DJ83C74,SJH9543DT52CKT983,S964HQ82D964CAQJ5|sv|n|nt|brolucius: We did not mention that Cronier's 3NT was rather bold. Most would bid 2NT and a (very) few might bid 1NT.|pg|| nt|rcerreto: true|pg|| nt|rcerreto: well judged|pg|| nt|ralfwil: but he needed @dJ on dummy|pg|| nt|granguru: or 3. very low level, doubled contracts|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|chmitty: next anyhow|pg|| mb|1C|nt|pelu: ok NS play transfer over 1@c|pg|| nt|peachy: This is what commentator slang calls "coffee hand". No problems, everyone go refill your drink of choice|pg|| mb|p|nt|rcerreto: that's why she bid 3 :)|pg|| nt|brolucius: Maybe 2@D?|pg|| mb|1D|nt|ralfwil: how many @s from W? I vote for 3@s|pg|| nt|paulg: i expect double shows the majors|pg|| nt|pelu: nice play to get 7 tricks in 2@c|pg|| nt|peachy: There certainly are very good reasons not to lead trump, but if one cant find one, then...trump|pg|| nt|granguru: aaah yes|pg|| mb|p|nt|rcerreto: a good partner has the J|pg|| mb|1S|nt|rcerreto: oops, sorry|pg|| nt|rcerreto: he bid|pg|| nt|ralfwil: anyone with me?|pg|| nt|rcerreto: with 2@d?|pg|| nt|brolucius: Closer to 3@S than 1@S, perhaps.|pg|| nt|rcerreto: 1@s looks a little timid to me|pg|| nt|pelu: strange take out X by Baldurson|pg|| mb|p|nt|ralfwil: a 6-card suit @hK and a stiff @d|pg|| nt|brolucius: Spade game needs to be bid.|pg|| nt|rcerreto: good sacrifice in 5@d|pg|| nt|MolvaM: so 1@s probably shows 3 card spades?|pg|| nt|pelu: sorry - prob support x in @H|pg|| mb|2C|nt|brolucius: I don't know that 1@H was right when East had indicated the majors.|pg|| nt|rcerreto: maybe it was also meant to show real @c|pg|| nt|rcerreto: unsure though|pg|| nt|ralfwil: 3@h is for me a strong 3@s rise and an invite to 4@s|pg|| nt|MolvaM: and baldurson dbl is kind of a support dbl?|pg|| nt|pelu: ok he was down 2 - but recived a gift|pg|| mb|p|nt|brolucius: Allerton may have misread 3@H but East can correct.|pg|| nt|brolucius: Anyway, this is the sort of board we were looking for, after so much drab stuff.|pg|| nt|rcerreto: he has a pretty good hand, in context|pg|| nt|ralfwil: but you agree with the strong rise David?|pg|| nt|peachy: Strong 1C, probable 0-7 or some such 1D|pg|| mb|p|nt|granguru: under this premise I agree fully..the same philosophy of the 6NT lead..dont give tricks away to declarer on the initial lead.|pg|| nt|granguru: when you have points in all side suits normally declarer has a solid trump suit...|pg|| mb|p|nt|brolucius: Presumably intended as that. Since 1@S shows very little, as I see it, East might also consider 3@S.|pg|| nt|ralfwil: but the best with this bidding is that W has shown his @h honour|pg|| nt|rcerreto: maybe their standard for free bids is higher than yours and mine|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|nt|pelu: Easr didnt read the X from West as @hs|pg|| nt|pelu: saved by S|pg|| nt|murat: good afternoon all :)|pg|| nt|pelu: wellcome now we hace 2 x Murat :)|pg|| pc|h8|nt|brolucius: Although we may quibble with the odd bid or two, it seems that the players have judged it very well around the table. |pg|| nt|rcerreto: anyway, they succeeded in bidding the par|pg|| nt|brolucius: The term 'free bid' was responsible for a lot of awful bidding many decades ago.|pg|| nt|murat: guess one of the most common names of Turkey :)|pg|| pc|h7|pg|| nt|rcerreto: in a difficult board|pg|| nt|rcerreto: yes, indeed|pg|| nt|granguru: !